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>>absence of a correspondingly negative motivating event. You don't think there's reasons pass laws banning AI...datacenters? Because what state is banning th

• akersten 7mo ago
  I didn't say any of that in my comment nor express an opinion about this whole thing writ large. I'm only pointing out that it's not weird for legislature to preempt a real world use case by way of pointing out similar laws.
  • moate 7mo ago
    I'm going to do this again: >>>>absence of a correspondingly negative motivating event. What did you mean? Why do you believe there has not been a motivating event to ban data centers when those bans have happened, which is literally what you said?
    • akersten 7mo ago
      In the context of the discussion a correspondingly negative event would have been along the lines of "we built a data center and then it exploded, we need to make sure that doesn't happen." Not "we're worried about the effects the data center might have," which is vis a vis to "we're worried about the effects banning ai might have." All I'm saying is neither of those last two are weird reasons to enact a law. GP was insisting that "rights" named laws always come after some negative event and it is weird that we have this "rights" named law without someone being deprived of their computation or whatever. I'm disagreeing with the premise that that's weird by pointing out laws preempt real world events all the time, in either direction (restrictive or permissive).
• hparadiz 7mo ago
  I'm already running an LLM locally. This is just me renting space in a data center. Since when did we restrict people's ability to do things? For the record my local models run off the solar bolted to my roof. Even including the data center I'm using 1/10th of the energy we were using on tube monitors back in the 90s. This is exhausting. My GPU would be demonstrably using more power by playing a videogame right now than when I run a local LLM.
  • jrmg 7mo ago
    Since when did we restrict people's ability to do things? This question is not the obvious winner you think it is. To me, and I am sure many, it sort of undermines your argument. Even in the most ‘free' cultures, society has _always_ restricted people’s individual ability to do things that it collectively deems harmful to the whole society.
    • hparadiz 7mo ago
      This is literally why America was founded. Too many people stifle innovation. Move to Europe if you want to be stuck in the 20th century frankly. That doesn't mean we can't take care of folks. But the ludites need to get the fuck out of the way. You're all exhausting.
      • cheeeeeeeese 7mo ago
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      • pocksuppet 7mo ago
        America was founded because rich people didn't want to pay taxes.
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• baggy_trough 7mo ago
  > Maybe it's NIMBY/Luditte BS to you, but people not wanting their resources to go help ensure some dork can have a chat-bot girlfriend seems normal to me. Why would it be your business, or anyone else's, to stop someone from doing this?
  • Arainach 7mo ago
    Because these data centers are at best overstressing utility grids and elevating prices for everyone and at worse running dirty generators and poisoning entire communities, for a start.
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    • 15155 7mo ago
      Oh no, we couldn't possibly generate more power! Impossible! We're at our limit! China has 100 reactors under construction - meanwhile in the West, folks like you exist.
      • Arainach 7mo ago
        If the businesses that want data centers want to pay the full construction costs for the new power plants, great. Otherwise consumers are paying for them in the rates they pay to energy companies. It should not be considered shocking or controversial that people already hit hard by corporate greed and other effects of late-stage capitalism don't want to pay higher utility rates to subsidize the data centers being built by megacorporations who want to take away even more of their jobs.
      • int_19h 7mo ago
        In the West the new datacenters popping up are mostly powered by gas.
  • jmye 7mo ago
    > Why would it be your business, or anyone else's, to stop someone from doing this? Because, in this country, we have “local government” wherein a bunch of people who live near each other have frequently banded together to make laws about the places they live. Surely this isn’t shocking news to you? Surely you’ve encountered this phenomenon before? Why do you think you have a right to do anything you want, anywhere you want, no matter what?
• cortesoft 7mo ago
  Why should we stop there? Let’s ban people flying on vacations, because why should our resources go towards some dork laying out in the sun? Air travel is horribly wasteful. Let’s ban people racing cars, that is also wasteful. We shouldn’t be using our resources to drive in circles. How do we pick which activities are worth using resources? Which ones are too ‘dorky’ to allow? Look, I am all for pricing the externalities into resource consumption. Tax carbon production, to make sure energy consumption is sustainable, but don’t dictate which uses of energy are acceptable or ‘worth it’, because I don’t want only mainstream things to be allowed.