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> Avoiding every corporation that does stuff you disagree with just isn't feasible. That would be all of them. They are all dirty. The idea of 'voting with y

> Avoiding every corporation that does stuff you disagree with just isn't feasible. That would be all of them. They are all dirty. The idea of 'voting with your dollar' is ridiculous - they are all terrible, so there's nothing to vote for. But yes, modern life requires that we engage with their nonsense, no need to think of the interaction as anything more that begrudging extraction.

Sammi 7mo ago
At least all publicly traded companies are 100% completely psychopathic. It's just what they are. Their objective to create shareholder value just trumps everything else. With private companies you have whatever morals the owners have. It's a very mixed bag.
tonyedgecombe 7mo ago
I don’t know. I’m more wary of a company that makes its money from advertising than one that profits on the goods it sells me.
- verisimi 7mo ago
  Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? Put techno companies to one side (as if not all companies are not actually tech nowadays) - what about pharmaceuticals, cars? All extractive as well as selling a product. Supermarkets? Financial companies? If you think there are companies not observing the data as well as selling the product, I don't think you're paying attention.
  - tonyedgecombe 7mo ago
    >Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? I think they are extracting and sharing data to varying degrees and that some have a business model which pushes them to one end of the spectrum. If you take the example of supermarkets you used nearly all of them push loyalty cards which they use as a mechanism to manipulate your purchasing decisions but the one I frequent doesn't (Aldi UK). They clearly aren't all the same.
    - verisimi 7mo ago
      Even in the example you use of a friendlier corporate, you have no idea what is being monitored. You only know there are no loyalty cards. You don't know if they are tracking consumers through the shop, over visits, etc. They do do that. They're not making a profit to do right by everyone.

Sammi 7mo ago

At least all publicly traded companies are 100% completely psychopathic. It's just what they are. Their objective to create shareholder value just trumps everything else. With private companies you have whatever morals the owners have. It's a very mixed bag.

tonyedgecombe 7mo ago

I don’t know. I’m more wary of a company that makes its money from advertising than one that profits on the goods it sells me.

verisimi 7mo ago
Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? Put techno companies to one side (as if not all companies are not actually tech nowadays) - what about pharmaceuticals, cars? All extractive as well as selling a product. Supermarkets? Financial companies? If you think there are companies not observing the data as well as selling the product, I don't think you're paying attention.
- tonyedgecombe 7mo ago
  >Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? I think they are extracting and sharing data to varying degrees and that some have a business model which pushes them to one end of the spectrum. If you take the example of supermarkets you used nearly all of them push loyalty cards which they use as a mechanism to manipulate your purchasing decisions but the one I frequent doesn't (Aldi UK). They clearly aren't all the same.
  - verisimi 7mo ago
    Even in the example you use of a friendlier corporate, you have no idea what is being monitored. You only know there are no loyalty cards. You don't know if they are tracking consumers through the shop, over visits, etc. They do do that. They're not making a profit to do right by everyone.