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If managers can't understand why this isn't a brag, then your job is hardly safe.

by coldtea 8mo ago

motbus3 8mo ago
Managers jobs are more at risk than senior engineers. My company, and few others I know reduced the number of managers by 90% or more.
- kakacik 8mo ago
  This. We moved to 'agile' roughly at same time llms started coming. You know who is mostly missing from the wider IT teams landscape now? Most of PMs and BAs, on purpose. Who is keeping their work - devs or more like devops, surprisingly testers (since our stuff seems ridiculously complex to test well for many use cases and we can't just break our bank by destroying production by fast half-assed deliveries). And then admins/unix/network/windows/support team, nobody replacing those anytime soon. Those few PMs left are there only for big efforts requiring organizing many teams, and we rarely do those now. I don't like it, chasing people, babysitting processes and so on, but certainly just more work for me.
- GeoAtreides 8mo ago
  you're not responding to op's point, unless you're insinuating there won't be any managers ever, which won't happen. As long as there is one manager left, OP's point remains.
- dzonga 8mo ago
  if the industry got rid of 98% of the managers - the industry's output would go up by 500x
ajb 8mo ago
Agents are new, but dumb coding practices are not. Despite what it may seem, the knowledge of how to manage development has increased. One practice I haven't seen for a while is managing by limiting the number of lines changed. (This was a dumb idea because rewriting a function or module is sometimes the only way to keep it comprehensible - I'm not talking about wholesale rewriting, I'm talking about code becoming encrusted with conditions because the devs are worried that changing the structure would change too many lines)
habinero 8mo ago
Tell me you're not a SWE without telling me. Engineers hire engineers at tech companies. Managers do the hiring paperwork.
- dang 8mo ago
  Can you please stop posting so abrasively? It's not that this one comment is so bad, but you have a long pattern of doing so, and we're trying for something else here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

If managers can't understand why this isn't a brag, then your job is hardly safe.

by coldtea 8mo ago

If managers can't understand why this isn't a brag, then your job is hardly safe.

Managers jobs are more at risk than senior engineers. My company, and few others I know reduced the number of managers by 90% or more.

kakacik 8mo ago
This. We moved to 'agile' roughly at same time llms started coming. You know who is mostly missing from the wider IT teams landscape now? Most of PMs and BAs, on purpose. Who is keeping their work - devs or more like devops, surprisingly testers (since our stuff seems ridiculously complex to test well for many use cases and we can't just break our bank by destroying production by fast half-assed deliveries). And then admins/unix/network/windows/support team, nobody replacing those anytime soon. Those few PMs left are there only for big efforts requiring organizing many teams, and we rarely do those now. I don't like it, chasing people, babysitting processes and so on, but certainly just more work for me.
GeoAtreides 8mo ago
you're not responding to op's point, unless you're insinuating there won't be any managers ever, which won't happen. As long as there is one manager left, OP's point remains.
dzonga 8mo ago
if the industry got rid of 98% of the managers - the industry's output would go up by 500x

ajb 8mo ago

Agents are new, but dumb coding practices are not. Despite what it may seem, the knowledge of how to manage development has increased. One practice I haven't seen for a while is managing by limiting the number of lines changed. (This was a dumb idea because rewriting a function or module is sometimes the only way to keep it comprehensible - I'm not talking about wholesale rewriting, I'm talking about code becoming encrusted with conditions because the devs are worried that changing the structure would change too many lines)

habinero 8mo ago

Tell me you're not a SWE without telling me. Engineers hire engineers at tech companies. Managers do the hiring paperwork.

dang 8mo ago
Can you please stop posting so abrasively? It's not that this one comment is so bad, but you have a long pattern of doing so, and we're trying for something else here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.