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And latency!! Anything that needs to be real time is impossible without wired headphones. Even the lowest latency wireless is noticeable.

by adzm 7mo ago

fixxation92 7mo ago
This is the big one for me, I hate all that lag with bluetooth, signal interference, and constantly wondering which device my headphones have connected to. So much easier for so many reasons, with a wire!
maccard 7mo ago
Real time covers a lot of different things, and have a lot of different solutions. Do you mean real time like games? “Wireless” headsets are perfectly fine and usable. Real time audio? Wireless transmitters and receivers exist and are used (granted with wireless in-ears but IMO that’s mostly so the don’t fall out) at the absolute highest level of audio production and live events. You definitely can’t just say wireless isn’t used for real time.
- vnorilo 7mo ago
  The wireless used for pro audio is never bluetooth, however.
  - maccard 7mo ago
    Oh absolutely. The wireless for gaming headsets isn’t Bluetooth either. If your argument is Bluetooth isn’t suitable for real time, I’m on board - I’d even go further and say Bluetooth isn’t suitable for anything other than fire and forget. Gaming headsets are usually 2.4GHz wireless, and pro audio stuff is ~500-800MHz and the proper stuff requires a wireless license to use.
- g947o 7mo ago
  I think we are talking about Bluetooth devices/use cases within the consumer world. Real time audio exists for sure. But it doesn't use Bluetooth, and nobody here cares about it, not to mention the amount of investment needed for equipment. This is just being pedantic.
lotsofpulp 7mo ago
I’ve been using AirPods on audio and video calls for many years now, and I notice no latency. Same with my bluetooth mouse.
- strix_varius 7mo ago
  Try using them to play a twitchy game and you'll notice.
fhcbix 7mo ago
Not trying to argue against your point, but most of the Bluetooth latency comes from the codec, not from it being wireless. Bluetooth LE Audio comes with LC3 which supports a codec latency of as little as 2.5 ms.
- summm 7mo ago
  Yeah but many devices still do not support it, and if they support it, then badly, or they hide it. There is not even a USB-Bluetooth adapter that would enable LE Audio on Linux. (Besides the hacky ones that contain a full Bluetooth stack and present as USB-Audio, but those come with their own problems.)
perilunar 7mo ago
> real time is impossible without wired Surely you can do real-time with analog RF?

And latency!! Anything that needs to be real time is impossible without wired headphones. Even the lowest latency wireless is noticeable.

by adzm 7mo ago

And latency!! Anything that needs to be real time is impossible without wired headphones. Even the lowest latency wireless is noticeable.

fixxation92 7mo ago

This is the big one for me, I hate all that lag with bluetooth, signal interference, and constantly wondering which device my headphones have connected to. So much easier for so many reasons, with a wire!

maccard 7mo ago

Real time covers a lot of different things, and have a lot of different solutions. Do you mean real time like games? “Wireless” headsets are perfectly fine and usable. Real time audio? Wireless transmitters and receivers exist and are used (granted with wireless in-ears but IMO that’s mostly so the don’t fall out) at the absolute highest level of audio production and live events. You definitely can’t just say wireless isn’t used for real time.

vnorilo 7mo ago
The wireless used for pro audio is never bluetooth, however.
- maccard 7mo ago
  Oh absolutely. The wireless for gaming headsets isn’t Bluetooth either. If your argument is Bluetooth isn’t suitable for real time, I’m on board - I’d even go further and say Bluetooth isn’t suitable for anything other than fire and forget. Gaming headsets are usually 2.4GHz wireless, and pro audio stuff is ~500-800MHz and the proper stuff requires a wireless license to use.
g947o 7mo ago
I think we are talking about Bluetooth devices/use cases within the consumer world. Real time audio exists for sure. But it doesn't use Bluetooth, and nobody here cares about it, not to mention the amount of investment needed for equipment. This is just being pedantic.

lotsofpulp 7mo ago

I’ve been using AirPods on audio and video calls for many years now, and I notice no latency. Same with my bluetooth mouse.

strix_varius 7mo ago
Try using them to play a twitchy game and you'll notice.

fhcbix 7mo ago

Not trying to argue against your point, but most of the Bluetooth latency comes from the codec, not from it being wireless. Bluetooth LE Audio comes with LC3 which supports a codec latency of as little as 2.5 ms.

summm 7mo ago
Yeah but many devices still do not support it, and if they support it, then badly, or they hide it. There is not even a USB-Bluetooth adapter that would enable LE Audio on Linux. (Besides the hacky ones that contain a full Bluetooth stack and present as USB-Audio, but those come with their own problems.)

perilunar 7mo ago

> real time is impossible without wired Surely you can do real-time with analog RF?