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The title framing is weird when the report says maybe 5% of the 1250 were civilians, and the same rights group also reports more than 1500 civilians [0] killed

The title framing is weird when the report says maybe 5% of the 1250 were civilians, and the same rights group also reports more than 1500 civilians [0] killed over the same period in the horrific and rampant gang violence the government is using this technology to fight against. [0] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/haiti https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2026/country-chapters/haiti

havenbarnes 7mo ago
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- aaron695 7mo ago
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- ghurtado 7mo ago
  No, not dozens of Innocents. About 1500, which is a lot more. You should read the comment that you replied to again. You're railing against a fact, not an opinion.
  - spacecadet 7mo ago
    People don't think anymore, they just react... Im pretty sure Im done engaging on this platform for that reason. Nearly every comment is met by some crass remark that clearly demonstrates the person didn't actually understand the comment, just reacted to the trigger words within it.
    - nickff 7mo ago
      This is best exemplified by all the comments (on varying posts) saying: 'I misread the title, and interpreted as X, haha!'. HN has unfortunately slid in the direction of Reddit (despite the HN Guidelines' denial of this).
      - spacecadet 7mo ago
        It always has been.
  - jibal 7mo ago
    Dozens of innocents (5% of 1250 = 63) killed "extrajudicially" (i.e., illegally) by the drones that are the subject of the article, and those deaths were dismissed by the rationalization in the comment they replied to.
    - mikkupikku 7mo ago
      If you can't handle additional context being brought to the conversation, maybe its best for you to duck out.
      - jibal 7mo ago
        So much projection here from RWers, as usual. I will bow out of this, due to the massive levels of intellectual dishonesty and bad faith.
        mikkupikku 7mo ago
        "Everybody who disagrees with me is le Nazi!" Get a grip.
        ghurtado 7mo ago
        "if you can't handle being an adult you should leave" "I shall leave"
  - croes 7mo ago
    They mean the 5% of 1250 killed by drones
    - mikkupikku 7mo ago
      We know what he meant, and he's being obtuse. Thinks thousands of deaths due to rampant crime somehow aren't or shouldn't be part of the discussion when the collateral cost of law enforcement efforts are discussed. Very dumb.
      - croes 7mo ago
        That where only the collaterals of the drone strikes. More people are killed with at least 17% innocent civilians
      - havenbarnes 7mo ago
        I figured my wording was clearly sarcastic but I should’ve added a “/s”. Extrajudicial slaughtering is not something I’d support regardless of civilian casualty rate.
        ghurtado 7mo ago
        Spamming the same comment over and over again, what a sad existence. Flagged. Honestly, you do not belong in this platform. You have the maturity of a 3rd grader.
        AnimalMuppet 7mo ago
        Personal attacks also do not belong on this platform. Regardless of what you think of the GP's comments, don't reply like this.
        jibal 6mo ago
        Neither mikkupikku nor ghurtado seem to care.
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  - havenbarnes 7mo ago
    I figured my wording was clearly sarcastic but I should’ve added a “/s”. Extrajudicial slaughtering is not something I’d support regardless of civilian casualty rate.
    - ghurtado 7mo ago
      Oh right the sarcasm and the histrionics. Yeah, that makes you sound like a petulant child that should not be taken seriously. Do you need any more feedback about your comment or are we done?
croes 7mo ago
Since when are drone strikes the legal way to handle criminals. I remember something with trials before you can kill people.
- 01100011 7mo ago
  That's a luxury you get when your society has reached a certain level of stability.
  - gjsman-1000 7mo ago
    Everything is that way. Another example: Feminism? Only happened with women in the workforce. Women in the workforce? Only when the Industrial Revolution happened and the economy could support the roles. Industrial Revolution? Only happened when farming and trading got good enough that 90% of the population didn’t need to be farmers first. Very few moral enlightenments have ever actually happened absent economic preconditions, or would not be reversed if the conditions degraded.
    - watwut 7mo ago
      > Feminism? Only happened with women in the workforce. That is not how it was. First, women were actually working and producing the whole time - but with much more limited options. It is not like they would twiddle thumbs bored prior industrial revolution. And second, the politically succesfull feminism happened mostly with women who were middle class, not allowed to work and wanted more ambitious jobs.
  - mmooss 7mo ago
    People's rights are not luxuries, but the purpose of government: "... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men ...". They are a necessity to achieve freedom and stability.
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JohnnyLarue 7mo ago
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havenbarnes 7mo ago

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aaron695 7mo ago
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ghurtado 7mo ago
No, not dozens of Innocents. About 1500, which is a lot more. You should read the comment that you replied to again. You're railing against a fact, not an opinion.
- spacecadet 7mo ago
  People don't think anymore, they just react... Im pretty sure Im done engaging on this platform for that reason. Nearly every comment is met by some crass remark that clearly demonstrates the person didn't actually understand the comment, just reacted to the trigger words within it.
  - nickff 7mo ago
    This is best exemplified by all the comments (on varying posts) saying: 'I misread the title, and interpreted as X, haha!'. HN has unfortunately slid in the direction of Reddit (despite the HN Guidelines' denial of this).
    - spacecadet 7mo ago
      It always has been.
- jibal 7mo ago
  Dozens of innocents (5% of 1250 = 63) killed "extrajudicially" (i.e., illegally) by the drones that are the subject of the article, and those deaths were dismissed by the rationalization in the comment they replied to.
  - mikkupikku 7mo ago
    If you can't handle additional context being brought to the conversation, maybe its best for you to duck out.
    - jibal 7mo ago
      So much projection here from RWers, as usual. I will bow out of this, due to the massive levels of intellectual dishonesty and bad faith.
      - mikkupikku 7mo ago
        "Everybody who disagrees with me is le Nazi!" Get a grip.
      - ghurtado 7mo ago
        "if you can't handle being an adult you should leave" "I shall leave"
- croes 7mo ago
  They mean the 5% of 1250 killed by drones
  - mikkupikku 7mo ago
    We know what he meant, and he's being obtuse. Thinks thousands of deaths due to rampant crime somehow aren't or shouldn't be part of the discussion when the collateral cost of law enforcement efforts are discussed. Very dumb.
    - croes 7mo ago
      That where only the collaterals of the drone strikes. More people are killed with at least 17% innocent civilians
    - havenbarnes 7mo ago
      I figured my wording was clearly sarcastic but I should’ve added a “/s”. Extrajudicial slaughtering is not something I’d support regardless of civilian casualty rate.
      - ghurtado 7mo ago
        Spamming the same comment over and over again, what a sad existence. Flagged. Honestly, you do not belong in this platform. You have the maturity of a 3rd grader.
        AnimalMuppet 7mo ago
        Personal attacks also do not belong on this platform. Regardless of what you think of the GP's comments, don't reply like this.
        jibal 6mo ago
        Neither mikkupikku nor ghurtado seem to care.
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- havenbarnes 7mo ago
  I figured my wording was clearly sarcastic but I should’ve added a “/s”. Extrajudicial slaughtering is not something I’d support regardless of civilian casualty rate.
  - ghurtado 7mo ago
    Oh right the sarcasm and the histrionics. Yeah, that makes you sound like a petulant child that should not be taken seriously. Do you need any more feedback about your comment or are we done?

croes 7mo ago

Since when are drone strikes the legal way to handle criminals. I remember something with trials before you can kill people.

01100011 7mo ago
That's a luxury you get when your society has reached a certain level of stability.
- gjsman-1000 7mo ago
  Everything is that way. Another example: Feminism? Only happened with women in the workforce. Women in the workforce? Only when the Industrial Revolution happened and the economy could support the roles. Industrial Revolution? Only happened when farming and trading got good enough that 90% of the population didn’t need to be farmers first. Very few moral enlightenments have ever actually happened absent economic preconditions, or would not be reversed if the conditions degraded.
  - watwut 7mo ago
    > Feminism? Only happened with women in the workforce. That is not how it was. First, women were actually working and producing the whole time - but with much more limited options. It is not like they would twiddle thumbs bored prior industrial revolution. And second, the politically succesfull feminism happened mostly with women who were middle class, not allowed to work and wanted more ambitious jobs.
- mmooss 7mo ago
  People's rights are not luxuries, but the purpose of government: "... to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men ...". They are a necessity to achieve freedom and stability.
  - deleted 7mo ago
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JohnnyLarue 7mo ago

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