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Avoiding every corporation that does stuff you disagree with just isn't feasible. All we can do is weigh their business model and other practices with the valu

Avoiding every corporation that does stuff you disagree with just isn't feasible. All we can do is weigh their business model and other practices with the value we get out of it. People on Reddit who also have a problem with Reddit are obviously on Reddit. That is tautological. It doesn't mean they aren't avoiding other companies for similar reasons, which wouldn't make them a hypocrite either.

verisimi 7mo ago
> Avoiding every corporation that does stuff you disagree with just isn't feasible. That would be all of them. They are all dirty. The idea of 'voting with your dollar' is ridiculous - they are all terrible, so there's nothing to vote for. But yes, modern life requires that we engage with their nonsense, no need to think of the interaction as anything more that begrudging extraction.
- Sammi 7mo ago
  At least all publicly traded companies are 100% completely psychopathic. It's just what they are. Their objective to create shareholder value just trumps everything else. With private companies you have whatever morals the owners have. It's a very mixed bag.
- tonyedgecombe 7mo ago
  I don’t know. I’m more wary of a company that makes its money from advertising than one that profits on the goods it sells me.
  - verisimi 7mo ago
    Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? Put techno companies to one side (as if not all companies are not actually tech nowadays) - what about pharmaceuticals, cars? All extractive as well as selling a product. Supermarkets? Financial companies? If you think there are companies not observing the data as well as selling the product, I don't think you're paying attention.
    - tonyedgecombe 7mo ago
      >Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? I think they are extracting and sharing data to varying degrees and that some have a business model which pushes them to one end of the spectrum. If you take the example of supermarkets you used nearly all of them push loyalty cards which they use as a mechanism to manipulate your purchasing decisions but the one I frequent doesn't (Aldi UK). They clearly aren't all the same.
      - verisimi 7mo ago
        Even in the example you use of a friendlier corporate, you have no idea what is being monitored. You only know there are no loyalty cards. You don't know if they are tracking consumers through the shop, over visits, etc. They do do that. They're not making a profit to do right by everyone.
vrganj 7mo ago
No ethical consumption under capitalism
- whattheheckheck 7mo ago
  So what is the implied call to action there? What's actually the solution?
  - vrganj 7mo ago
    You asking me? The solution is a workers revolution and a restructuring of the economy around worker-owned coops. The rest of this site might disagree though.
    - whattheheckheck 7mo ago
      Yeah thanks for answering, im also in the camp of understanding the truths underpinning the steel man argument behind the original phrase but not seeing a widespread clear path towards a better future with the proposed solution. What's the solution for class conflict? The meat packing workers coop wouldn't be as favorable to work in as the elementary school teacher worker coop nor as the carpenter worker coop. How do you handle technological innovation? How would you defend against other nations attempting to invade and steal your stuff? Would the weapons worker coop take the hospital builders materials to produce weapons? I really dont think it nets a higher standard of living and will introduce millions of deaths. Not sure how thats more ethical
      - vrganj 7mo ago
        > What's the solution for class conflict? The solution is to dismantle the class system altogether. > The meat packing workers coop wouldn't be as favorable to work in as the elementary school teacher worker coop nor as the carpenter worker coop. This is giving us a chance at a true meritocracy. You can test into any of the more favorable coops as long as you have the skills. > How do you handle technological innovation? I don't see how that would be any different? > How would you defend against other nations attempting to invade and steal your stuff? This is premised on a world revolution. No other nations. > Would the weapons worker coop take the hospital builders materials to produce weapons? I'm not sure there's much overlap between those two.

verisimi 7mo ago

> Avoiding every corporation that does stuff you disagree with just isn't feasible. That would be all of them. They are all dirty. The idea of 'voting with your dollar' is ridiculous - they are all terrible, so there's nothing to vote for. But yes, modern life requires that we engage with their nonsense, no need to think of the interaction as anything more that begrudging extraction.

Sammi 7mo ago
At least all publicly traded companies are 100% completely psychopathic. It's just what they are. Their objective to create shareholder value just trumps everything else. With private companies you have whatever morals the owners have. It's a very mixed bag.
tonyedgecombe 7mo ago
I don’t know. I’m more wary of a company that makes its money from advertising than one that profits on the goods it sells me.
- verisimi 7mo ago
  Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? Put techno companies to one side (as if not all companies are not actually tech nowadays) - what about pharmaceuticals, cars? All extractive as well as selling a product. Supermarkets? Financial companies? If you think there are companies not observing the data as well as selling the product, I don't think you're paying attention.
  - tonyedgecombe 7mo ago
    >Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? I think they are extracting and sharing data to varying degrees and that some have a business model which pushes them to one end of the spectrum. If you take the example of supermarkets you used nearly all of them push loyalty cards which they use as a mechanism to manipulate your purchasing decisions but the one I frequent doesn't (Aldi UK). They clearly aren't all the same.
    - verisimi 7mo ago
      Even in the example you use of a friendlier corporate, you have no idea what is being monitored. You only know there are no loyalty cards. You don't know if they are tracking consumers through the shop, over visits, etc. They do do that. They're not making a profit to do right by everyone.

vrganj 7mo ago

No ethical consumption under capitalism

whattheheckheck 7mo ago
So what is the implied call to action there? What's actually the solution?
- vrganj 7mo ago
  You asking me? The solution is a workers revolution and a restructuring of the economy around worker-owned coops. The rest of this site might disagree though.
  - whattheheckheck 7mo ago
    Yeah thanks for answering, im also in the camp of understanding the truths underpinning the steel man argument behind the original phrase but not seeing a widespread clear path towards a better future with the proposed solution. What's the solution for class conflict? The meat packing workers coop wouldn't be as favorable to work in as the elementary school teacher worker coop nor as the carpenter worker coop. How do you handle technological innovation? How would you defend against other nations attempting to invade and steal your stuff? Would the weapons worker coop take the hospital builders materials to produce weapons? I really dont think it nets a higher standard of living and will introduce millions of deaths. Not sure how thats more ethical
    - vrganj 7mo ago
      > What's the solution for class conflict? The solution is to dismantle the class system altogether. > The meat packing workers coop wouldn't be as favorable to work in as the elementary school teacher worker coop nor as the carpenter worker coop. This is giving us a chance at a true meritocracy. You can test into any of the more favorable coops as long as you have the skills. > How do you handle technological innovation? I don't see how that would be any different? > How would you defend against other nations attempting to invade and steal your stuff? This is premised on a world revolution. No other nations. > Would the weapons worker coop take the hospital builders materials to produce weapons? I'm not sure there's much overlap between those two.