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It not a completely one sided relationship. I'm using google maps for free!!! That's HUGE benefit to me. That google makes money from it is irrelevant to me. Th

It not a completely one sided relationship. I'm using google maps for free!!! That's HUGE benefit to me. That google makes money from it is irrelevant to me. They're paying me by providing a free service that I get tons of usage out all the time.

johnisgood 8mo ago
Yeah, and you made a fix for both yourself, and presumably other people as well. Additionally, some people submit fixes for recognition, too.
bluefirebrand 8mo ago
It's not free. The cost is the information about where you are and what you're looking for basically at all time.
- jamesnorden 8mo ago
  I hate when my navigation app knows where I am!
  - bluefirebrand 8mo ago
    Sure, your navigation app needs to know where you are in order to function Does the company that owns your navigation app have to remember every route you've ever taken forever? Does it need to do meta analysis on your location data to figure out where you likely work and life and where your friend are? Does it need to sell that data to law enforcement and businesses so they can track your movements and pattern match your behaviors? Seems to me there's a huge gulf between "location app knows where you are" and "we have used that to collect every scrap of information about your movements everywhere you go and weaponized that information against you"
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 8mo ago
It's free, but it's a dependency. I don't have sharp rhetoric for it, but I could find bipartisanship with right-wingers if they apply the "big government giving you welfare means they can take it away from you" to free web services. OpenStreetMap is always behind on business data, but it has data that Google doesn't have, and it can't be taken away near as easily. And requires no account at all.
Suppafly 8mo ago
This, I submit photos and corrections to maps all the time, because those photos and corrections help me as well as other people. I derive way more benefit than I personally provide but I'm OK with that and google is too.
casey2 8mo ago
>I'm using google maps for free!!! That's HUGE benefit to me. Is it? You are doing labor (usage) that harms yourself (brain damage). The fact that google makes money isn't irrelevant, it's the whole point.
- abenga 8mo ago
  Why would using Google maps cause brain damage?
  - jurgenburgen 8mo ago
    Apparently not stopping every five minutes to look at a paper map causes brain damage now. I assume it’s some extreme take based on the speculation that outsourcing thinking to LLMs makes people dumber.
bushbaba 8mo ago
It’s not free. You’re selling your data, location history, and advertising real estate in exchange for maps. There’s a cost, it’s just not in dollars.
- abenga 8mo ago
  Maybe that cost is meaningless for GP (right or not).

johnisgood 8mo ago

Yeah, and you made a fix for both yourself, and presumably other people as well. Additionally, some people submit fixes for recognition, too.

bluefirebrand 8mo ago

It's not free. The cost is the information about where you are and what you're looking for basically at all time.

jamesnorden 8mo ago
I hate when my navigation app knows where I am!
- bluefirebrand 8mo ago
  Sure, your navigation app needs to know where you are in order to function Does the company that owns your navigation app have to remember every route you've ever taken forever? Does it need to do meta analysis on your location data to figure out where you likely work and life and where your friend are? Does it need to sell that data to law enforcement and businesses so they can track your movements and pattern match your behaviors? Seems to me there's a huge gulf between "location app knows where you are" and "we have used that to collect every scrap of information about your movements everywhere you go and weaponized that information against you"

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 8mo ago

It's free, but it's a dependency. I don't have sharp rhetoric for it, but I could find bipartisanship with right-wingers if they apply the "big government giving you welfare means they can take it away from you" to free web services. OpenStreetMap is always behind on business data, but it has data that Google doesn't have, and it can't be taken away near as easily. And requires no account at all.

Suppafly 8mo ago

This, I submit photos and corrections to maps all the time, because those photos and corrections help me as well as other people. I derive way more benefit than I personally provide but I'm OK with that and google is too.

casey2 8mo ago

>I'm using google maps for free!!! That's HUGE benefit to me. Is it? You are doing labor (usage) that harms yourself (brain damage). The fact that google makes money isn't irrelevant, it's the whole point.

abenga 8mo ago
Why would using Google maps cause brain damage?
- jurgenburgen 8mo ago
  Apparently not stopping every five minutes to look at a paper map causes brain damage now. I assume it’s some extreme take based on the speculation that outsourcing thinking to LLMs makes people dumber.

bushbaba 8mo ago

It’s not free. You’re selling your data, location history, and advertising real estate in exchange for maps. There’s a cost, it’s just not in dollars.

abenga 8mo ago
Maybe that cost is meaningless for GP (right or not).