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He is re-building a company that he himself built less than 3 years ago?
by spprashant 7mo ago
He is re-building a company that he himself built less than 3 years ago?
- coliveira 7mo ago[flagged]
- dang 7mo agoYou've been a good HN user for many years, but lately your comment history has swerved towards ideological battle generally, and unsubstantive flamebait like this post. Can you please swerve back? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: before someone pounces, no, I'm in no way defending either E. Just trying to hold up HN.
- Herring 7mo ago[flagged]
- BoredPositron 7mo agoHe is not wrong here dang and you are keen to scold one side of the bar more than the other in the last few months. This thread is a good example there wasn't even anything in the comments and it got a sticky real quick.
- johnnyanmac 7mo agoI'm not using surprised by the moderation direction here (formality above all). But stubs tend to be rare and I've never seen a stub develop over 2 top level comments. Even the most blatantly political posts don't get such treatment (or it takes a long time do so). I'm sure it's common for dead flagged posts, but it seems this story was too significant to pull over that smoke screen this time.
- ThrowawayTestr 7mo agoI come to HN because I don't want to read reddit-tier comments like the above.
- BoredPositron 7mo ago[flagged]
- throwaway5752 7mo agoThe grandparent comment is from someone that has been on this site almost since the beginning. Far longer than you. They might have insights about the community that you do not.
- ThrowawayTestr 7mo agoThat's even worse, they should know better
- johnnyanmac 7mo agoIntegrity means understanding when your community if falling into the snares of its own rules. What's the point of formal, nuanced discussion if it's used to empower hate?
- throwaway5752 7mo agoI agree. For whatever reason, whether it is a change in community sentiment or something else, I get downvotes talking about this. I can't think of a more useless thing to care about. Even if I cared, I couldn't think of a better way to spend accrued social capital. The hold that scumbags - influencers, political operatives, narcissists with Messiah complexes - have taken over young men, particularly those inclined to go into the software field, is alarming. Various former founding members of PayPal, leaders of the companies they've founded subsequently, member of A16Z and some opportunists and hangers on to these wealthier individuals who are beneath the dignity of mentioning separately - they have lost their moral and ethical moorings in the course of accumulating massive wealth and they are corrupting others in doing it. Even modest startup incubators are be obsequious to the wealth and power of these people in the field and decided that money is more important than morality. Or at the very least there is no pretense of it now.
- natch 7mo agoNot true in general on HN about one side only; it happens to all sides imho. But if you wanted to measure, you would have to normalize by the total number of occurrences on each side, and there is a lot of passive aggressive wording so the measurement would be easy to do badly. To the extent that discussion of discussion is considered boring, perhaps this will get shut down too, but I think it was important to counter your claim.
- johnnyanmac 7mo agoWe're sadly well past friends of friends of friends coming in. At some point the only thing you can do as a non-bartender is to simply leave and never come back. I don't want to say we're at that point just yet. But it's something that's been gnawing at me for a while now. I've certainly been disillusioned of this being a progressive tech hub interested in bettering humanity.
- natch 7mo agoBettering humanity is a pretty good two word summary of what should be the meaning of life and everyone’s goal. Please don’t disengage.
- johnnyanmac 7mo ago>Please don’t disengage. No worries. I was more referring to this community rather than this society. There are plenty of other "bars" on the internet to choose from.
- natch 7mo agoYou entirely missed the point. Please don’t disengage from those bars you perceive to be tainted in some way.
- BigTTYGothGF 7mo agoIt might be a nazi bar, but it's a high-class fancy kind of nazi bar like you'd find on the Hindenburg, and that's more important.
- slater 7mo agoDoes that mean we get to throw the Nazis out the Hindenburg's window, cos they lack tickets?
- BigTTYGothGF 7mo agoDr.Jones (either one) is too uncouth to be allowed in here.
- Herring 7mo agoJesus...
- natch 7mo ago[flagged]
- throwaway5752 7mo agoMusk * gave a Nazi Sigg Heil salute (twice) at a political even, on video. Famously. * has consistently supported a German political party that re-uses Nazi slogans, minimizes or outright denies the Holocaust, minimizes the criminality of the SS * frequently and consistently upvotes posts on X echoing white supremacist and Nazi ideology on his social media site * owns the most popular site for neo-Nazis To say "is not backed up by any kind of connection to reality" is actually verifiably false. I can't say anything about the other words, but there is evidence for miles that he is sympathetic to Nazi ideology. And this is directly relevant here. It can't be ignored when you are talking about his business, or you have an elephant in the room. His personal flaws and meglomaniacal executive style are a package deal.
- natch 7mo ago[flagged]
- hermanzegerman 7mo agoOkay, so what you're saying is that you don't have an argument to back up your opinion and just ignore the other arguments because they could endanger your opinion
- throwaway5752 7mo agoThey aren't specious, though. There's ample public record evidence. You can't rebut them because they are part of the historical record. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q is the "Sigg Heil" video. Anyone can see with their own eyes. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-german-far-right-afd-holocaust https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-germa... is where Musk says, "Frankly too much of a focus on past guilt and we need to move beyond that. Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their parents, their great-grandparents." - referring the Holocaust, just 80 years ago, in which 13 million people were systematically rounded up, placed in concentration campls, and mass murdered by the government, including 6 million Jewish people. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk-antisemitic-tweet-adl https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk... "You have said the actual truth" Regarding Twitter / X, after he took over: According to data provided by the research company Memetica to The New York Times, in the past month, Elon Musk's platform featured 46,000 posts with the hashtag #HitlerWasRight, compared to an average of less than 5,000 posts per month in previous months (an increase of 820%). Posts with the hashtags #DeathtotheJews or #DeathtoJews appeared 51,000 times in the last month, marking a surge of 2,450%. This is the guy claiming to try to make a trustworthy foundational model. There are deeper reasons for Grok's market share problems than the founding team or coding capability. You can't talk about this event and ignore it. He's trying to take Space X public and it's only going to get worse. His personal brand is dragging down his companies, as far as I can tell Tesla has lost 25-50% of their EV market share in Europe in the past 2 years? The problem is not just BYD. This ignores his publicly acknowledged drug use that has led to tension with his boards of directors https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1 https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e...
- randallsquared 7mo agoElon has less regard for sunk costs than most corporate leaders.
- LightBug1 7mo agoIronically, he's the sunk cost.