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Back then there were only two ships attacked in the straits, and one was an Iranian shadow fleet ship. I am not sure that is "closing the straits" in any shape

by breppp 7mo ago

Back then there were only two ships attacked in the straits, and one was an Iranian shadow fleet ship. I am not sure that is "closing the straits" in any shape or form

nottorp 7mo ago
So if there's an active shooter on the one alley to your workplace you should still be at work in time, right? :) Or let's make the analogy clearer: if your Uber driver cancels the ride because there's an active shooter on the only road between him and you, it's their fault not the shooter's?
- breppp 7mo ago
  no, but if two ships were hit, while one clearly by mistake, it is very early to say the straits are going to be closed as opposed to incorrect targeting your analogies have went past me though, generally although a common misconception, countries are not people and wars are not comparable to crime
  - BigTTYGothGF 7mo ago
    Oh, well, if it was by mistake...
  - pocksuppet 7mo ago
    The active shooter is shooting a specific group of people who don't include you. Will you walk past?
ceejayoz 7mo ago
That's precisely how you close the straits; by making everyone scared to go through.
- MengerSponge 7mo ago
  You don't even have to scare everyone. You just have to scare the insurers. Without insurance ships won't sail. The exposure is huge, so a small blip in risk makes all the modeling go kerplooie. Traffic stopped when the insurers said drop the anchors. To restore traffic, we need that risk to return to previous levels, which requires diplomacy and trust. I don't expect resolution any time soon.
  - GeorgeWBasic 7mo ago
    Impeachment, and then we could get there. It's not impossible.
    - yks 7mo ago
      With JD Vance things will go even worse
      - phatfish 7mo ago
        I thought Vance was the actual isolationist America first guy? Not Trump kind who's opinion changes based which authoritarian he last had a phone call with. In this specific case maybe Vance is least worst option.
        ceejayoz 7mo ago
        Vance called Trump "America's Hitler", then ran as his VP. He's a windsock.
      - GeorgeWBasic 7mo ago
        From all I've seen, he actually argued against this war prior to paying lip service to it. He'd be an improvement.
Macha 7mo ago
As the houthis have long demonstrated, you can screw up shipping from the coast
tekla 7mo ago
I'm guessing you watched the Hegseth interview? --- Hegseth: “The only thing prohibiting transit in [Hormuz] right now is Iran shooting at shipping.” “It is open for transit should Iran not do that” --- Oh really? I thought it was because Mercury was in retrograde. I guess if even Mr. Hegseth is admitting that transit is effectively prohibited in the Strait, he must actually be lying and part of the deep state.

by breppp 7mo ago

Back then there were only two ships attacked in the straits, and one was an Iranian shadow fleet ship. I am not sure that is "closing the straits" in any shape or form

nottorp 7mo ago

So if there's an active shooter on the one alley to your workplace you should still be at work in time, right? :) Or let's make the analogy clearer: if your Uber driver cancels the ride because there's an active shooter on the only road between him and you, it's their fault not the shooter's?

breppp 7mo ago
no, but if two ships were hit, while one clearly by mistake, it is very early to say the straits are going to be closed as opposed to incorrect targeting your analogies have went past me though, generally although a common misconception, countries are not people and wars are not comparable to crime
- BigTTYGothGF 7mo ago
  Oh, well, if it was by mistake...
- pocksuppet 7mo ago
  The active shooter is shooting a specific group of people who don't include you. Will you walk past?

ceejayoz 7mo ago

That's precisely how you close the straits; by making everyone scared to go through.

MengerSponge 7mo ago
You don't even have to scare everyone. You just have to scare the insurers. Without insurance ships won't sail. The exposure is huge, so a small blip in risk makes all the modeling go kerplooie. Traffic stopped when the insurers said drop the anchors. To restore traffic, we need that risk to return to previous levels, which requires diplomacy and trust. I don't expect resolution any time soon.
- GeorgeWBasic 7mo ago
  Impeachment, and then we could get there. It's not impossible.
  - yks 7mo ago
    With JD Vance things will go even worse
    - phatfish 7mo ago
      I thought Vance was the actual isolationist America first guy? Not Trump kind who's opinion changes based which authoritarian he last had a phone call with. In this specific case maybe Vance is least worst option.
      - ceejayoz 7mo ago
        Vance called Trump "America's Hitler", then ran as his VP. He's a windsock.
    - GeorgeWBasic 7mo ago
      From all I've seen, he actually argued against this war prior to paying lip service to it. He'd be an improvement.

Macha 7mo ago

As the houthis have long demonstrated, you can screw up shipping from the coast

tekla 7mo ago

I'm guessing you watched the Hegseth interview? --- Hegseth: “The only thing prohibiting transit in [Hormuz] right now is Iran shooting at shipping.” “It is open for transit should Iran not do that” --- Oh really? I thought it was because Mercury was in retrograde. I guess if even Mr. Hegseth is admitting that transit is effectively prohibited in the Strait, he must actually be lying and part of the deep state.