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When Meta starting introducing E2E messaging it was a huge push. I wonder why they're doing away with it.

john_strinlai 7mo ago
i am guessing that they just dont really need to pretend to care anymore. e2e messaging was a big marketing push, not ever an ideological thing. i assume they no longer believe the marketing benefits outweigh the downsides.
- varispeed 7mo ago
  Probably Whatsapp is next, if it isn't quietly already.
  - deafpolygon 7mo ago
    > Probably Whatsapp is next, if it isn't quietly already. And I will be pushing to remove WhatsApp if that’s the case.
  - garbawarb 7mo ago
    I doubt it, E2E isba huge part of Whatsapp's selling point considering it's exclusively a messaging app. Instagram is primarily a social app with messaging features.
    - gzread 7mo ago
      Normal people don't choose a messaging app based on E2EE but based on whether their friends use it.
      - grvdrm 7mo ago
        "Your security code with X changed" "What's a security code?"
gmerc 7mo ago
It was for plausible deniability because of regulatory scrutiny. Regulator's dead now, so now there's no downside and only upsides to spying on your users.
- dngray 7mo ago
  They never did this for user privacy, and yes I think you're spot on. This was just to remove liability. Now it just costs them the data and development cost to maintain. Any remaining problems they'll throw some crappy AI moderator at to fix.
  - gmerc 7mo ago
    Not hard to be right about this when you worked there at the time ;)
    - pixxel 7mo ago
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- infinitewars 7mo ago
  Palantir
- mpalmer 7mo ago
  > no downside That is not the view their legal department takes, I guarantee it. Congress ain't gonna keep its composition indefinitely.
gzread 7mo ago
PR. They wanted to seem like the good guys, but they get your messages through backdoors like the automatic backup.
- modeless 7mo ago
  You're thinking of Apple. WhatsApp backups are not stored by Meta. Apple is the company that breaks their "end-to-end" encryption by backing up the encryption keys to their own servers.
  - topranks 7mo ago
    You can opt-in to encrypting those backups so Apple have no access.
    - modeless 7mo ago
      Yes. I believe a small percentage of Apple users do this. Unfortunately that doesn't prevent Apple from reading your messages from the backups of the vast majority of people you correspond with.
paxys 7mo ago
Because they realized they need the data for AI

i am guessing that they just dont really need to pretend to care anymore. e2e messaging was a big marketing push, not ever an ideological thing. i assume they no longer believe the marketing benefits outweigh the downsides.

varispeed 7mo ago
Probably Whatsapp is next, if it isn't quietly already.
- deafpolygon 7mo ago
  > Probably Whatsapp is next, if it isn't quietly already. And I will be pushing to remove WhatsApp if that’s the case.
- garbawarb 7mo ago
  I doubt it, E2E isba huge part of Whatsapp's selling point considering it's exclusively a messaging app. Instagram is primarily a social app with messaging features.
  - gzread 7mo ago
    Normal people don't choose a messaging app based on E2EE but based on whether their friends use it.
    - grvdrm 7mo ago
      "Your security code with X changed" "What's a security code?"

gmerc 7mo ago

It was for plausible deniability because of regulatory scrutiny. Regulator's dead now, so now there's no downside and only upsides to spying on your users.

dngray 7mo ago
They never did this for user privacy, and yes I think you're spot on. This was just to remove liability. Now it just costs them the data and development cost to maintain. Any remaining problems they'll throw some crappy AI moderator at to fix.
- gmerc 7mo ago
  Not hard to be right about this when you worked there at the time ;)
  - pixxel 7mo ago
    [dead]
infinitewars 7mo ago
Palantir
mpalmer 7mo ago
> no downside That is not the view their legal department takes, I guarantee it. Congress ain't gonna keep its composition indefinitely.

gzread 7mo ago

PR. They wanted to seem like the good guys, but they get your messages through backdoors like the automatic backup.

modeless 7mo ago
You're thinking of Apple. WhatsApp backups are not stored by Meta. Apple is the company that breaks their "end-to-end" encryption by backing up the encryption keys to their own servers.
- topranks 7mo ago
  You can opt-in to encrypting those backups so Apple have no access.
  - modeless 7mo ago
    Yes. I believe a small percentage of Apple users do this. Unfortunately that doesn't prevent Apple from reading your messages from the backups of the vast majority of people you correspond with.

paxys 7mo ago

Because they realized they need the data for AI