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Qatar is probably intentionally shutting down production of gas and oil in order to pressure the US to stop, independently of Iranian attacks. In that respect
by breppp 7mo ago
Qatar is probably intentionally shutting down production of gas and oil in order to pressure the US to stop, independently of Iranian attacks.
In that respect they may be bombed by Iran but they have the same interests
- fabian2k 7mo agoWhere are they supposed to put all that gas and oil if they can't transport it? I don't think they have much choice here. And as far as I understand, helium is a byproduct of the extraction, so they can't choose to keep only the helium.
- breppp 7mo agoHowever Qatar stopped production before the straits were officially closed and their stated reason is "due to military attacks", also Russian or Chinese ships can pass
- fabian2k 7mo agoThere is no such thing as "officially closed". The moment people start shooting there, driving a ship across becomes dangerous. This was an absolutely predictable consequence of the attacks on Iran, you didn't need to wait until several tankers were burning to know these attacks were likely to happen and the strait would become essentially too risky to pass.
- breppp 7mo agoBack then there were only two ships attacked in the straits, and one was an Iranian shadow fleet ship. I am not sure that is "closing the straits" in any shape or form
- nottorp 7mo agoSo if there's an active shooter on the one alley to your workplace you should still be at work in time, right? :) Or let's make the analogy clearer: if your Uber driver cancels the ride because there's an active shooter on the only road between him and you, it's their fault not the shooter's?
- breppp 7mo agono, but if two ships were hit, while one clearly by mistake, it is very early to say the straits are going to be closed as opposed to incorrect targeting your analogies have went past me though, generally although a common misconception, countries are not people and wars are not comparable to crime
- BigTTYGothGF 7mo agoOh, well, if it was by mistake...
- pocksuppet 7mo agoThe active shooter is shooting a specific group of people who don't include you. Will you walk past?
- ceejayoz 7mo agoThat's precisely how you close the straits; by making everyone scared to go through.
- MengerSponge 7mo agoYou don't even have to scare everyone. You just have to scare the insurers. Without insurance ships won't sail. The exposure is huge, so a small blip in risk makes all the modeling go kerplooie. Traffic stopped when the insurers said drop the anchors. To restore traffic, we need that risk to return to previous levels, which requires diplomacy and trust. I don't expect resolution any time soon.
- GeorgeWBasic 7mo agoImpeachment, and then we could get there. It's not impossible.
- yks 7mo agoWith JD Vance things will go even worse
- phatfish 7mo agoI thought Vance was the actual isolationist America first guy? Not Trump kind who's opinion changes based which authoritarian he last had a phone call with. In this specific case maybe Vance is least worst option.
- ceejayoz 7mo agoVance called Trump "America's Hitler", then ran as his VP. He's a windsock.
- GeorgeWBasic 7mo agoFrom all I've seen, he actually argued against this war prior to paying lip service to it. He'd be an improvement.
- Macha 7mo agoAs the houthis have long demonstrated, you can screw up shipping from the coast
- tekla 7mo agoI'm guessing you watched the Hegseth interview? --- Hegseth: “The only thing prohibiting transit in [Hormuz] right now is Iran shooting at shipping.” “It is open for transit should Iran not do that” --- Oh really? I thought it was because Mercury was in retrograde. I guess if even Mr. Hegseth is admitting that transit is effectively prohibited in the Strait, he must actually be lying and part of the deep state.
- heisenbit 7mo agoNot just dangerous but uninsured...
- int0x29 7mo agoThe strait is now mined at least partially. Country of origin doesn't matter when there are mines in the water.
- overfeed 7mo agoWe really are overdue for mines with IFF and can inert themselves temporarily for blue ships.
- XorNot 7mo agoThe problem is systems like that have a failure rate. Self deactivating land mines exist - and sometimes fail to do this (3/100 was the rate I heard a few years ago). Same problem with cluster munitions: it's not how they work. It's that a bunch of the bomblets fail to work, then leave UXO around which explodes a child's hand later.
- hinkley 7mo agoThis is going to be an environmental disaster.
- overfeed 7mo agoOnly if there's no diplomatic resolution - however unlikely.
- dylan604 7mo agoAre Russian or Chinese ships actually passing? Junior just released a decree saying not one liter of oil will pass. It didn't have an asterisk allowing Russian or Chinese ships. I also find it funny that we just decided to allow Russia to pad its coffers by temporarily lifting sanctions on sale of Russian oil. Sorry Ukraine!
- noelsusman 7mo agoShutting down production doesn't pressure the US at all since the oil and gas can't go anywhere anyway. They're shutting it down because they have to, there's nowhere to put the oil.
- FpUser 7mo agoEven if this nonsense was true it is absolutely normal tactic used by the US when bombing is out of question. Use economic pressure by way of tariffs and sanctions until vassals are put in their place. So what's your problem