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Can not see them fuck it up more than my own government spending millions to pour concrete into our own excellent natural gas wells (while selling whatever did

Can not see them fuck it up more than my own government spending millions to pour concrete into our own excellent natural gas wells (while selling whatever did come out under market price to other countries), and our neighbors on the east celebrating while they blow up nuclear power plants. At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape. We are just slowly then swiftly committing suicide.

surgical_fire 7mo ago
Are you complaining about the Groningen gas wells? I thought that they were being decommissioned due to seismic risks?
- sigio 7mo ago
  Yeah, but even the local (groningen) residents think it's a bad idea to not keep some resources available for emergency situations (they also would like to heat their houses in winter) like when other sources are cut off.
  - surgical_fire 7mo ago
    Is it even possible? My understanding is that the whole region is connected to those gas wells. There's so much you can take before the underground is hollow. They may not have a house to heat if tremors get too bad.
  - notTooFarGone 7mo ago
    the mystical time when the wind on the see is not there and there is no sun? Maybe even the tides stop working?
- mvdwoord 7mo ago
  haha yes, the grand seismic risks (economic risk in single digit percentages of the profits available) but not talking about not using them, they are actively and very costly going to fill them with concrete to ensure in the future (even in whatever extreme scenario) they cannot be used again. On top of the fact that we suckered ourselves into long term agreements which led to having to sell our own gas, far below market price to other countries. Full blown retardedness, and the moral high ground was theirs. And our German neighbors, I can still see them laughing at the Orange Man Bad... Boo hoo... what a shitshow.
  - surgical_fire 7mo ago
    > haha yes, the grand seismic risks (economic risk in single digit percentages of the profits available) If I lived in the region I wouldn't really care if the economic risk is single digit percentage. I would prefer my house to keep standing. > they are actively and very costly going to fill them with concrete to ensure in the future (even in whatever extreme scenario) they cannot be used again. I think you are arguing in bad faith. If you hollow the underground, filling it with something is a way to mitigate the seismic risk. > And our German neighbors, I can still see them laughing at the Orange Man Bad. Okay, I see now that talking to you is a waste of time. Have a great afternoon.
    - mvdwoord 7mo ago
      Love you too! (to clarify, the concrete has nothing to do with the seismic risks, and is solely intended to make it impossible to extract gas later, which some people see as a valid way to lower potential seismic impact in the future due to no extraction... as if it is the only way to deal with seismic risks... and the whole point of the profits being ample to mitigate any economic loss is that people's houses can be either made resistant, or, you know, we could buy affected people a brand spanking new house) Good luck with the rest.
    - yread 7mo ago
      Groningen gas field produced 40 billion m3 a year. 100m3 is 1MWh, currently sold for 50 eur. So the production would generate revenue of 20 billion eur a year. Tax it at 10%, get 2B eur. Buy/build houses for 400k a piece, 5.000 a year. There are cca 10.000 houses with minor or major damage. In 2 fucking years everyone gets a new second house for free and we get cheap gas.
      - littlestymaar 7mo ago
        You realize that people's houses are more than a number in a balance sheet? Losing all your personal items and memories + living homeless for a few years while the reconstruction is in progress isn't minor inconvenience.
ceejayoz 7mo ago
> At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape. This seems, uh, awfully optimistic.
forgetfreeman 7mo ago
The US appears to be ideologically committed shitting on their trade partners and ending the dollar's run as a reserve currency and you see this leading to improving it's geopolitical standing? Through what mechanism?
karmakurtisaani 7mo ago
> At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape. Does the improved geopolitical landscape consist of closed strait of Hormuz? Not sure what else they can geopolitically achieve compared to how things were a few weeks ago.

surgical_fire 7mo ago

Are you complaining about the Groningen gas wells? I thought that they were being decommissioned due to seismic risks?

sigio 7mo ago
Yeah, but even the local (groningen) residents think it's a bad idea to not keep some resources available for emergency situations (they also would like to heat their houses in winter) like when other sources are cut off.
- surgical_fire 7mo ago
  Is it even possible? My understanding is that the whole region is connected to those gas wells. There's so much you can take before the underground is hollow. They may not have a house to heat if tremors get too bad.
- notTooFarGone 7mo ago
  the mystical time when the wind on the see is not there and there is no sun? Maybe even the tides stop working?
mvdwoord 7mo ago
haha yes, the grand seismic risks (economic risk in single digit percentages of the profits available) but not talking about not using them, they are actively and very costly going to fill them with concrete to ensure in the future (even in whatever extreme scenario) they cannot be used again. On top of the fact that we suckered ourselves into long term agreements which led to having to sell our own gas, far below market price to other countries. Full blown retardedness, and the moral high ground was theirs. And our German neighbors, I can still see them laughing at the Orange Man Bad... Boo hoo... what a shitshow.
- surgical_fire 7mo ago
  > haha yes, the grand seismic risks (economic risk in single digit percentages of the profits available) If I lived in the region I wouldn't really care if the economic risk is single digit percentage. I would prefer my house to keep standing. > they are actively and very costly going to fill them with concrete to ensure in the future (even in whatever extreme scenario) they cannot be used again. I think you are arguing in bad faith. If you hollow the underground, filling it with something is a way to mitigate the seismic risk. > And our German neighbors, I can still see them laughing at the Orange Man Bad. Okay, I see now that talking to you is a waste of time. Have a great afternoon.
  - mvdwoord 7mo ago
    Love you too! (to clarify, the concrete has nothing to do with the seismic risks, and is solely intended to make it impossible to extract gas later, which some people see as a valid way to lower potential seismic impact in the future due to no extraction... as if it is the only way to deal with seismic risks... and the whole point of the profits being ample to mitigate any economic loss is that people's houses can be either made resistant, or, you know, we could buy affected people a brand spanking new house) Good luck with the rest.
  - yread 7mo ago
    Groningen gas field produced 40 billion m3 a year. 100m3 is 1MWh, currently sold for 50 eur. So the production would generate revenue of 20 billion eur a year. Tax it at 10%, get 2B eur. Buy/build houses for 400k a piece, 5.000 a year. There are cca 10.000 houses with minor or major damage. In 2 fucking years everyone gets a new second house for free and we get cheap gas.
    - littlestymaar 7mo ago
      You realize that people's houses are more than a number in a balance sheet? Losing all your personal items and memories + living homeless for a few years while the reconstruction is in progress isn't minor inconvenience.

ceejayoz 7mo ago

> At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape. This seems, uh, awfully optimistic.

forgetfreeman 7mo ago

The US appears to be ideologically committed shitting on their trade partners and ending the dollar's run as a reserve currency and you see this leading to improving it's geopolitical standing? Through what mechanism?

karmakurtisaani 7mo ago

> At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape. Does the improved geopolitical landscape consist of closed strait of Hormuz? Not sure what else they can geopolitically achieve compared to how things were a few weeks ago.