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I teach at an art university for 8 years now. I would highly doubt that: The most creative people are those who measure both high intelligence and low neurotici
by atoav 7mo ago
I teach at an art university for 8 years now. I would highly doubt that: The most creative people are those who measure both high intelligence and low neuroticism.
In my experience that isn't the complete picture. I have met highly creative people who are extremely (unhealthy so) concerned with what others think, yet go their own path anyways. It is true that creative people often tend to do things in a way that appears as if it is outside of the frame of normal parameters. But this isn't so simple either, because maybe it is context dependent. A punk musician may live in disregard of the aesthetical conventions of society, but they also may have a traded canon of styles and works their own subculture. So maybe that punk doesn't care what society thinks about them, but they may care about what other punks think.
My experience with hundreds of art students is that there is no correlation between how independent someone works and how creative their output is. There are many ways of producing interesting ideas and the lone (usually: male) genius being the only true way is by this point a well-refuted idea.
- austin-cheney 7mo agoI did not base my comment on personal observations. It comes straight from psychology and the big 5. I was also once an art student myself. Creativity extends far beyond individual contributions, which becomes evident in resource and personnel management. Creativity is highly correlated to openness, as is intelligence, and is least restricted by those who are most eager to exercise decisions and try new things without fear of consequence, whether real or perceived.
- vixen99 7mo agoTwo folk who set the direction of the modern world - Isaac Newton and Charles Darwin. https://historycollection.com/16-examples-of-the-madness-of-sir-isaac-newton/ https://historycollection.com/16-examples-of-the-madness-of-... https://www.science.org/content/article/origin-darwins-anxiety https://www.science.org/content/article/origin-darwins-anxie... Can't vouch for the accuracy of these descriptions but they don't suggest lack of neuroticism however brought on. Bodily dysfunction of whatever kind can be causative of course.
- vodkadin 7mo agoOpenness is on the closed minded-openness axis. Neuroticism is on the neurotic-stable axis. These are independent things. You can be highly open-minded and highly neurotic. I’d seriously question your understanding of the Big 5.
- austin-cheney 7mo ago> These are independent things. I never claimed otherwise. You have invented your own strawman to attack.
- vodkadin 7mo agoThe logic in your OP is absolutely muddled. And it's evident I'm not the only one that followed your reasoning to you implying neuroticism is negatively correlated to creativity. To restate your argument: openness is correlated to creativity (not controversial) and being neurotic dampens that because you care a lot what people think (no evidence). There is no correlation between neuroticism and creativity. Neuroticism doesn't effect openness so it makes no sense. Either your argument is that neuroticism influences openness and that influences creativity or your argument is I just think neuroticism makes you less creative because I just think so. You might as well not even mention the Big 5 because it doesn't effect your last point.
- austin-cheney 7mo agoWhat are you talking about? In your previous comment you suggest I correlated neuroticism to openness, which I did not. Now you are claiming I correlated neuroticism to creativity, which I did do. Neuroticism dampens many things, not specifically because what other people think, but because it imposes hesitation and artificial restraints on decisions in general. In order to better understand what neuroticism really is and how it really works I suggest reading about the amygdala, gaba, fear impressions, and looping. The less a person is so restricted the more free they are to universally experiment, consider alternatives, and act. That is generally how people perceive creativity.
- Lalabadie 7mo agoI think the idea that one must be naturally impervious to shame to be "the right sort" of creative is attractive, but it's used to disregard the courage necessary to show oneself and open up in the way that builds the creator. Lots of amazing artists, creators and researchers are obviously highly neurotic.