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> the smart choice was to nominate Elizabeth Warren, who is a fantastic campaigner. But Harris was the choice to appease the identity activists. That's the rev

by mmooss 8mo ago

> the smart choice was to nominate Elizabeth Warren, who is a fantastic campaigner. But Harris was the choice to appease the identity activists. That's the reverse: Warren wasn't nominated because she's progressive and beloved by people who care most about diversity. The centrist Dems supported Harris - Biden's VP - and hate progressives more than they hate Republicans (they do everything to show how they work with Republicans) - look at the NYC mayoral race, where the Dem candidate was opposed or not supported by many Dem leaders.

rayiner 8mo ago
> Warren wasn't nominated because she's progressive and beloved by people who care most about diversity. No, look at Warren’s performance on Super Tuesday, which includes many of the states with the largest minority populations. 79% of Warren voters were white, in an electorate (Democrats in places like Texas and South Carolina) that’s majority non-white: https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_auto,w_1280,h_394/newscms/2020_10/3254781/dem_warren_voters_bar_super_tuesday.jpg https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_aut... However, nominating Warren as the VP would have fixed that problem. Racial conflict plays a large role within internal Democratic politics. However, the non-white factions will usually line up behind the selected candidate in the general election.
- mmooss 8mo ago
  You're right about her support, but white progressives are generally the biggest advocates of Diversity. IME minority groups are generally more conservative than progressives are (though of course we're talking about tens of millions of people each with their own opinions) and care about how they are treated but less about Diversity as a solution, but of course most won't consider Republicans for obvious reasons.
  - rayiner 8mo ago
    > white progressives are generally the biggest advocates of diversity. IME minority groups are generally more conservative than progressives I think you're correct about all that. But you overlook that minority groups care about "diversity" for other, different reasons. Generally speaking, minority groups care about it as a show of commitment to their group. Jim Clyburn was instrumental in Harris's nomination. He isn't a progressive. But he cares a lot that the party appoints black people to key positions. That's just how the party has long worked. For decades, Catholic immigrants voted for Democrats as a bloc and in return Democrats delivered political benefits to Catholics and appointed Catholics to key positions. Minority groups today aren't any different. Myriad ethnic activist groups are in different communities--Muslims in Queens, Latinos in Nevada, etc.--mobilizing those communities to vote Democrat. And those organizations deeply care about the party delivering key appointments to members of their group. So you're correct that Elizabeth Warren was the candidate favored by progressives who value diversity as an abstract ideological principle. But she was not favored by the groups that help deliver actual votes from minority voters and wanted the appointment of someone from their group in return for that support.

by mmooss 8mo ago

rayiner 8mo ago

> Warren wasn't nominated because she's progressive and beloved by people who care most about diversity. No, look at Warren’s performance on Super Tuesday, which includes many of the states with the largest minority populations. 79% of Warren voters were white, in an electorate (Democrats in places like Texas and South Carolina) that’s majority non-white: https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_auto,w_1280,h_394/newscms/2020_10/3254781/dem_warren_voters_bar_super_tuesday.jpg https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/c_fill,g_aut... However, nominating Warren as the VP would have fixed that problem. Racial conflict plays a large role within internal Democratic politics. However, the non-white factions will usually line up behind the selected candidate in the general election.

mmooss 8mo ago
You're right about her support, but white progressives are generally the biggest advocates of Diversity. IME minority groups are generally more conservative than progressives are (though of course we're talking about tens of millions of people each with their own opinions) and care about how they are treated but less about Diversity as a solution, but of course most won't consider Republicans for obvious reasons.
- rayiner 8mo ago
  > white progressives are generally the biggest advocates of diversity. IME minority groups are generally more conservative than progressives I think you're correct about all that. But you overlook that minority groups care about "diversity" for other, different reasons. Generally speaking, minority groups care about it as a show of commitment to their group. Jim Clyburn was instrumental in Harris's nomination. He isn't a progressive. But he cares a lot that the party appoints black people to key positions. That's just how the party has long worked. For decades, Catholic immigrants voted for Democrats as a bloc and in return Democrats delivered political benefits to Catholics and appointed Catholics to key positions. Minority groups today aren't any different. Myriad ethnic activist groups are in different communities--Muslims in Queens, Latinos in Nevada, etc.--mobilizing those communities to vote Democrat. And those organizations deeply care about the party delivering key appointments to members of their group. So you're correct that Elizabeth Warren was the candidate favored by progressives who value diversity as an abstract ideological principle. But she was not favored by the groups that help deliver actual votes from minority voters and wanted the appointment of someone from their group in return for that support.