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You can use gen AI entirely in the spirit of craft. For instance if you need to consume, implement or extend some open source software you can load it up in an

You can use gen AI entirely in the spirit of craft. For instance if you need to consume, implement or extend some open source software you can load it up in an agent IDE and ask “How do I?” questions or “how is it that?” questions that put you on a firm footing.

gassi 8mo ago
And contribute your changes back upstream, right?
- autoexec 8mo ago
  Do we even want a bunch of people contributing slop upstream when (assuming it does anything worthwhile in the first place) somebody has to actually review/correct/document that code? A handful of well intentioned slop piles might be manageable, but AI enables spewing garbage at an unprecedented scale. When there's a limited amount of resources to expend on discussing, reviewing, fixing, and then finally accepting contributions a ton of AI generated contributions from random people could bring development to a halt.
danjl 8mo ago
> I was afraid the puzzle-solving was over. But it wasn't—it just moved up a level. The craft can move up a level too. You still can make decisions about the implementation, which algorithms to use, how to combine them, how and what to test -- essentially crafting the system at a higher level. In a similar sense, we lost the hand-crafting of assembly code as compilers took over, and now we're losing the crafting of classes and algorithms to some extent, but we still craft the system -- what and how it does its thing, and most importantly, why.
bluefirebrand 8mo ago
You don't need AI for this, we've had search engines and good online resources for decades
- reverius42 8mo ago
  Current AI is much, much better than current search engines (which themselves seem worse than they were decades ago, for some reason).
  - bigstrat2003 8mo ago
    It really isn't. AI has nothing on a good search engine like Kagi.
    - simianwords 8mo ago
      This is easily disproven. I mean how can someone still believe this? Wow! I can come up with many examples that would take you ages to search in Kagi vs one prompt in ChatGPT. You really should be updating.
    - hyperflowerer 8mo ago
      You and this board are totally delusional. This entire board is just a complete waste of time to read. Just total fucking nonsense.
- simianwords 8mo ago
  Being blunt here but this is a good example of dogmatic thought. AI is leaps and bounds better than google at searching. “You don’t need google for this, we have had public libraries for decades” energy.
  - wreath 8mo ago
    Yeah to get the definitive answers, sure AI is quicker. Google is more like the librarian pointing you at possibly good resources to get your answers from after reading the materials and there are a lot of good learning opportunities there. LLMs just give you the answer and robs you of those opportunities.
  - wolvesechoes 8mo ago
    > dogmatic thought. Dogmatism sometimes seems like a better thing compared to mind so open that wind blows through it without obstacles.
fsmv 8mo ago
Yes but the lords are not satisfied with this. They demand the 10x productivity they sold to investors. If you do it this way you will not produce 10x the code.

gassi 8mo ago

And contribute your changes back upstream, right?

autoexec 8mo ago
Do we even want a bunch of people contributing slop upstream when (assuming it does anything worthwhile in the first place) somebody has to actually review/correct/document that code? A handful of well intentioned slop piles might be manageable, but AI enables spewing garbage at an unprecedented scale. When there's a limited amount of resources to expend on discussing, reviewing, fixing, and then finally accepting contributions a ton of AI generated contributions from random people could bring development to a halt.

danjl 8mo ago

> I was afraid the puzzle-solving was over. But it wasn't—it just moved up a level. The craft can move up a level too. You still can make decisions about the implementation, which algorithms to use, how to combine them, how and what to test -- essentially crafting the system at a higher level. In a similar sense, we lost the hand-crafting of assembly code as compilers took over, and now we're losing the crafting of classes and algorithms to some extent, but we still craft the system -- what and how it does its thing, and most importantly, why.

bluefirebrand 8mo ago

You don't need AI for this, we've had search engines and good online resources for decades

reverius42 8mo ago
Current AI is much, much better than current search engines (which themselves seem worse than they were decades ago, for some reason).
- bigstrat2003 8mo ago
  It really isn't. AI has nothing on a good search engine like Kagi.
  - simianwords 8mo ago
    This is easily disproven. I mean how can someone still believe this? Wow! I can come up with many examples that would take you ages to search in Kagi vs one prompt in ChatGPT. You really should be updating.
  - hyperflowerer 8mo ago
    You and this board are totally delusional. This entire board is just a complete waste of time to read. Just total fucking nonsense.
simianwords 8mo ago
Being blunt here but this is a good example of dogmatic thought. AI is leaps and bounds better than google at searching. “You don’t need google for this, we have had public libraries for decades” energy.
- wreath 8mo ago
  Yeah to get the definitive answers, sure AI is quicker. Google is more like the librarian pointing you at possibly good resources to get your answers from after reading the materials and there are a lot of good learning opportunities there. LLMs just give you the answer and robs you of those opportunities.
- wolvesechoes 8mo ago
  > dogmatic thought. Dogmatism sometimes seems like a better thing compared to mind so open that wind blows through it without obstacles.

fsmv 8mo ago

Yes but the lords are not satisfied with this. They demand the 10x productivity they sold to investors. If you do it this way you will not produce 10x the code.