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So where does this leave open source operating systems? I also want to know how they think this assinine system will guarantee no one can lie to the computer a

So where does this leave open source operating systems? I also want to know how they think this assinine system will guarantee no one can lie to the computer about how old they are.

dietr1ch 8mo ago
If there's any good intentions in the bill, I guess the end-state must be having a way to mark an account as a kid's account and have that user's access limited. This is what old parental controls look like on phones that can be handed off to kids.
- pocksuppet 8mo ago
  That's literally what the bill says
  - dietr1ch 8mo ago
    Yeah, and the constitution literally says that many things shouldn't be happening. Pens are a weapon for more civilised times than the current one.
    - pocksuppet 8mo ago
      Then why argue anything at all?
matheusmoreira 8mo ago
They don't matter. They'll be outlawed soon enough. Their ultimate objective is to make it illegal for a computer to run unauthorized software. One day they will make it so it's illegal for a computer to boot into a non-government approved operating system.
pocksuppet 8mo ago
Debian, Fedora et al. will just comply. It's really no problem to do so - it just requires an age input on the user creation page, and for that to be saved somewhere. Porn apps mustn't work if the user is under 18, but I don't think they distribute porn apps. If you build your own operating system out of open-source parts, then of course you don't need to comply with consumer product law, since you're not making a consumer product. If you import an operating system from outside of the US and sell it, responsibility for compliance is on you, like any other imported consumer product.
- iamnothere 8mo ago
  Debian has not signaled compliance and current discussion on the mailing list seems to be against it. NixOS does not plan to comply. OpenBSD will not comply. Gentoo devs don’t seem to believe it applies to them since they technically just provide a blueprint for you to build a system from source. FreeBSD seems to be leaning against compliance. System76 PopOS seems to be willing to comply with California but no states that require attestation like the NY bill. Omarchy is aggressively noncompliant. There will be many options.
  - pocksuppet 8mo ago
    I wish the widespread fervent hatred against the "user is over 18" checkbox was applied to, like, Cloudflare captchas, or something that actually matters.
    - iamnothere 8mo ago
      Cloudflare does not force FOSS devs to implement changes and accept potential legal liability, while opening the door to future legislative spec-by-fiat. There is a world of difference.
      - pocksuppet 8mo ago
        yes... it did? If you're a FOSS browser developer, Cloudflare forced you to pass Cloudflare browser fingerprinting and implement enough JavaScript to pass the CAPTCHA. Which is much harder than an over-18 checkbox.
        iamnothere 8mo ago
        Legally? Like through the law? If I don’t pass CAPTCHA I get fined and/or go to jail? Wow that sucks!
        pocksuppet 8mo ago

So where does this leave open source operating systems? I also want to know how they think this assinine system will guarantee no one can lie to the computer about how old they are.

dietr1ch 8mo ago

If there's any good intentions in the bill, I guess the end-state must be having a way to mark an account as a kid's account and have that user's access limited. This is what old parental controls look like on phones that can be handed off to kids.

pocksuppet 8mo ago
That's literally what the bill says
- dietr1ch 8mo ago
  Yeah, and the constitution literally says that many things shouldn't be happening. Pens are a weapon for more civilised times than the current one.
  - pocksuppet 8mo ago
    Then why argue anything at all?

matheusmoreira 8mo ago

They don't matter. They'll be outlawed soon enough. Their ultimate objective is to make it illegal for a computer to run unauthorized software. One day they will make it so it's illegal for a computer to boot into a non-government approved operating system.

pocksuppet 8mo ago

Debian, Fedora et al. will just comply. It's really no problem to do so - it just requires an age input on the user creation page, and for that to be saved somewhere. Porn apps mustn't work if the user is under 18, but I don't think they distribute porn apps. If you build your own operating system out of open-source parts, then of course you don't need to comply with consumer product law, since you're not making a consumer product. If you import an operating system from outside of the US and sell it, responsibility for compliance is on you, like any other imported consumer product.

iamnothere 8mo ago
Debian has not signaled compliance and current discussion on the mailing list seems to be against it. NixOS does not plan to comply. OpenBSD will not comply. Gentoo devs don’t seem to believe it applies to them since they technically just provide a blueprint for you to build a system from source. FreeBSD seems to be leaning against compliance. System76 PopOS seems to be willing to comply with California but no states that require attestation like the NY bill. Omarchy is aggressively noncompliant. There will be many options.
- pocksuppet 8mo ago
  I wish the widespread fervent hatred against the "user is over 18" checkbox was applied to, like, Cloudflare captchas, or something that actually matters.
  - iamnothere 8mo ago
    Cloudflare does not force FOSS devs to implement changes and accept potential legal liability, while opening the door to future legislative spec-by-fiat. There is a world of difference.
    - pocksuppet 8mo ago
      yes... it did? If you're a FOSS browser developer, Cloudflare forced you to pass Cloudflare browser fingerprinting and implement enough JavaScript to pass the CAPTCHA. Which is much harder than an over-18 checkbox.
      - iamnothere 8mo ago
        Legally? Like through the law? If I don’t pass CAPTCHA I get fined and/or go to jail? Wow that sucks!
        pocksuppet 8mo ago