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The specific issue that caused her to lose the election was her support for Israel. It was the largest reason that Biden 2020 voters didn't vote for Harris in 2

The specific issue that caused her to lose the election was her support for Israel. It was the largest reason that Biden 2020 voters didn't vote for Harris in 2024, per polls that specifically analyzed the causes of her loss. (not polls that took general moods or ideas) Had she dropped support for Israel, she would have been president. And going forward, there will never be a Democratic president that supports Israel's continued existence. The Democratic base is fully against Israel. We're just waiting for the politicians to catch up. Edit: man some of you REALLY don't want Israel to be blamed for anything. Anyways, here's one poll clearly showing it was her support for Israel that cost her the most votes: https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling

spankalee 7mo ago
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- otterley 7mo ago
  Don't put words in people's mouths. If you disagree with someone's position, make your own counterargument.
  - spankalee 7mo ago
    That's not putting words into someone else mouth: What else would you even call supporting the erasure of an entire nation? If it's genocide when Israel does it to others, it must be genocide if done to Israel.
    - otterley 7mo ago
      What you did is exactly putting words in someone's mouth, and it's the reason your comment was killed. Don't do it again. There are better ways to make your point.
      - spankalee 7mo ago
        > Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction—in whole or in part—of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, involving killing, causing serious harm, or imposing conditions to destroy them. The persons words fit the definition of genocide. > Don't do it again Who are you?
2muchcoffeeman 7mo ago
Which is crazy. Democratic voters would rather have someone opposed to their values in power and make worse the issue they supposedly care about.
otterley 7mo ago
Why would she lose the general Presidential election based solely on her pro-Israel stance, if Trump also had a pro-Israel stance at that time (and still does)? That explanation doesn't make sense.
- jeffbee 7mo ago
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  - otterley 7mo ago
    "In a democracy, you get the government you deserve."
- bayarearefugee 7mo ago
  Elections in the US are mostly decided by who can drive turnout. It isn't that the people who would have voted for Kamala (if not for her stance on Israel) voted for Trump instead, they just didn't vote at all. I wish potential voters like that put a little more effort into harm mitigation but history shows they dont.
- readitalready 7mo ago
  It's because it's important to make sure anyone in office that supports Israel loses, EVEN IF their opponent also supports Israel. The job of the voter is to make sure elected officials are held accountable. Remember, the voter decides based on what was already done, not what they say MIGHT be done in the future.
  - otterley 7mo ago
    > Remember, the voter decides based on what was already done, not what they say MIGHT be done in the future. How does that explain the outcome of Presidential elections that follow term limits? Donald Trump had no meaningful political record prior to the Republican primaries in 2015--and he was pro-Israel in his first term as well.
    - 7mo ago
jjtheblunt 7mo ago
> The specific issue that caused her to lose the election was her support for Israel. I'm american and I've never heard that. I've only heard her total unwillingness to be interviewed without a script. Perhaps what one hears varies across the country, of course.
- readitalready 7mo ago
  I wouldn't expect everyone to know everything. But I follow all the polls. YouGov are some of the best.
  - Herring 7mo ago
    Man after my own heart. I'm a statistician, and the data-free narratives on HN sometimes make me want to pull my hair out.
    - jjtheblunt 7mo ago
      no kidding
  - jjtheblunt 7mo ago
    good info: thanks as i'd not seen that (very randomly)
- moogly 7mo ago
  > I'm american and I've never heard that. It's been in the news for a while. https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaz...
  - jjtheblunt 7mo ago
    upvote : thanks for the link. i meant actually "hear" as in from the large number of americans i see weekly.
otterley 7mo ago
> And going forward, there will never be a Democratic president that supports Israel's continued existence. The Democratic base is fully against Israel. We're just waiting for the politicians to catch up. Are you willing to put money on that?

spankalee 7mo ago

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otterley 7mo ago
Don't put words in people's mouths. If you disagree with someone's position, make your own counterargument.
- spankalee 7mo ago
  That's not putting words into someone else mouth: What else would you even call supporting the erasure of an entire nation? If it's genocide when Israel does it to others, it must be genocide if done to Israel.
  - otterley 7mo ago
    What you did is exactly putting words in someone's mouth, and it's the reason your comment was killed. Don't do it again. There are better ways to make your point.
    - spankalee 7mo ago
      > Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction—in whole or in part—of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, involving killing, causing serious harm, or imposing conditions to destroy them. The persons words fit the definition of genocide. > Don't do it again Who are you?

2muchcoffeeman 7mo ago

Which is crazy. Democratic voters would rather have someone opposed to their values in power and make worse the issue they supposedly care about.

otterley 7mo ago

Why would she lose the general Presidential election based solely on her pro-Israel stance, if Trump also had a pro-Israel stance at that time (and still does)? That explanation doesn't make sense.

jeffbee 7mo ago
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- otterley 7mo ago
  "In a democracy, you get the government you deserve."
bayarearefugee 7mo ago
Elections in the US are mostly decided by who can drive turnout. It isn't that the people who would have voted for Kamala (if not for her stance on Israel) voted for Trump instead, they just didn't vote at all. I wish potential voters like that put a little more effort into harm mitigation but history shows they dont.
readitalready 7mo ago
It's because it's important to make sure anyone in office that supports Israel loses, EVEN IF their opponent also supports Israel. The job of the voter is to make sure elected officials are held accountable. Remember, the voter decides based on what was already done, not what they say MIGHT be done in the future.
- otterley 7mo ago
  > Remember, the voter decides based on what was already done, not what they say MIGHT be done in the future. How does that explain the outcome of Presidential elections that follow term limits? Donald Trump had no meaningful political record prior to the Republican primaries in 2015--and he was pro-Israel in his first term as well.
  - 7mo ago

jjtheblunt 7mo ago

> The specific issue that caused her to lose the election was her support for Israel. I'm american and I've never heard that. I've only heard her total unwillingness to be interviewed without a script. Perhaps what one hears varies across the country, of course.

readitalready 7mo ago
I wouldn't expect everyone to know everything. But I follow all the polls. YouGov are some of the best.
- Herring 7mo ago
  Man after my own heart. I'm a statistician, and the data-free narratives on HN sometimes make me want to pull my hair out.
  - jjtheblunt 7mo ago
    no kidding
- jjtheblunt 7mo ago
  good info: thanks as i'd not seen that (very randomly)
moogly 7mo ago
> I'm american and I've never heard that. It's been in the news for a while. https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaza https://www.axios.com/2026/02/22/dnc-2024-autopsy-harris-gaz...
- jjtheblunt 7mo ago
  upvote : thanks for the link. i meant actually "hear" as in from the large number of americans i see weekly.

otterley 7mo ago

> And going forward, there will never be a Democratic president that supports Israel's continued existence. The Democratic base is fully against Israel. We're just waiting for the politicians to catch up. Are you willing to put money on that?