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What do you mean? Can you elaborate?

by nubg 7mo ago

nozzlegear 7mo ago
Sure, this is the meme I was referencing: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/worst-person-you-know-made-a-great-point https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/worst-person-you-know-made-a-... In this case, Trump is the "worst person you know," but he's doing something that a lot of people across the left [¹] and right [²] political spectrums have wanted to do for years by repealing (edit: suspending) the Jones Act. [¹] Free trade dems, Clintonite think tankers, third-way corporatists, the self-styled "neoliberal" dems, abundance dems, etc. Not all dems support doing away with it because in theory that hurts the maritime unions. [²] Much broader support on the right because it maps onto the free market and anti-regulation ideologies.
- SllX 7mo ago
  *suspending Not repealed. But yes.
  - nozzlegear 7mo ago
    Woops, good catch!
- throawayonthe 7mo ago
  i'm confused by your footnotes, because in the first one you clarify you mean right-wingers and "free market" fanatics and then seemingly restating it in your second footnote while presenting it as a separate group haha
  - nozzlegear 7mo ago
    I'm not sure what you mean. The first group here? > Free trade dems, Clintonite think tankers, third-way corporatists, the self-styled "neoliberal" dems, abundance dems, etc. These are all very much part of the democrat coalition, i.e. the "left" on the US political spectrum. It's not the entire democrat coalition, but they are a large part of it. I'd call them centrist for sure, but certainly not right wing.
    - joe-collins 7mo ago
      If those groups are "left" then your Overton window is fucked.
      - nozzlegear 7mo ago
        Again we're talking about US politics here, i.e. left is the democrat coalition and right is the republican coalition. You'd have to be a very online blue sky user to call e.g. abundance dems anywhere near the right in the US.
        wolrah 7mo ago
        > You'd have to be a very online blue sky user to call e.g. abundance dems anywhere near the right in the US. I would argue that when discussing politics on a global network on a site with global reach that there's no need to talk in terms of the range of each country's parties. On a global scale, the US has one major party that's center-right overall with a few left-wing members and another major party that's far-right with a majority of its membership being at least OK with if not actively pursuing fascism. We have "left compared to wannabe nazis" but not "left" Our widespread use of the defective first-past-the-post election system prevents any significant inroads from being made by any alternatives regardless of how much many of us would like it, and the two major parties are actively trying to prevent the use of alternatives.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate?

by nubg 7mo ago

What do you mean? Can you elaborate?

Sure, this is the meme I was referencing: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/worst-person-you-know-made-a-great-point https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/worst-person-you-know-made-a-... In this case, Trump is the "worst person you know," but he's doing something that a lot of people across the left [¹] and right [²] political spectrums have wanted to do for years by repealing (edit: suspending) the Jones Act. [¹] Free trade dems, Clintonite think tankers, third-way corporatists, the self-styled "neoliberal" dems, abundance dems, etc. Not all dems support doing away with it because in theory that hurts the maritime unions. [²] Much broader support on the right because it maps onto the free market and anti-regulation ideologies.

SllX 7mo ago
*suspending Not repealed. But yes.
- nozzlegear 7mo ago
  Woops, good catch!
throawayonthe 7mo ago
i'm confused by your footnotes, because in the first one you clarify you mean right-wingers and "free market" fanatics and then seemingly restating it in your second footnote while presenting it as a separate group haha
- nozzlegear 7mo ago
  I'm not sure what you mean. The first group here? > Free trade dems, Clintonite think tankers, third-way corporatists, the self-styled "neoliberal" dems, abundance dems, etc. These are all very much part of the democrat coalition, i.e. the "left" on the US political spectrum. It's not the entire democrat coalition, but they are a large part of it. I'd call them centrist for sure, but certainly not right wing.
  - joe-collins 7mo ago
    If those groups are "left" then your Overton window is fucked.
    - nozzlegear 7mo ago
      Again we're talking about US politics here, i.e. left is the democrat coalition and right is the republican coalition. You'd have to be a very online blue sky user to call e.g. abundance dems anywhere near the right in the US.
      - wolrah 7mo ago
        > You'd have to be a very online blue sky user to call e.g. abundance dems anywhere near the right in the US. I would argue that when discussing politics on a global network on a site with global reach that there's no need to talk in terms of the range of each country's parties. On a global scale, the US has one major party that's center-right overall with a few left-wing members and another major party that's far-right with a majority of its membership being at least OK with if not actively pursuing fascism. We have "left compared to wannabe nazis" but not "left" Our widespread use of the defective first-past-the-post election system prevents any significant inroads from being made by any alternatives regardless of how much many of us would like it, and the two major parties are actively trying to prevent the use of alternatives.