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Uh, what? I have not made a presuppositional argument (I made no argument at all...). I made a statement about my epistemic state - ie: that I would "bet" on lo

Uh, what? I have not made a presuppositional argument (I made no argument at all...). I made a statement about my epistemic state - ie: that I would "bet" on low fiber being the major contributor to colon cancer rates. Someone then asserted that it can't be that, and I asked "why?". > Why would more fiber help? Because there is an incredible amount of research into high fiber diets being good for your gut, including reduced colon cancer rates. This is the consensus of various organizations such as WHO - high fiber diets have lower risks of colon cancer.

boringg 7mo ago
My comment is that it is not ONLY low fiber diets. There are a lot of other risk factors involved. Will high fiber help - absolutely. Is it the be all end all - no I doubt it. Western diet collapsed its fiber intake well over 80 years ago - it would have shown up already.
- staticassertion 7mo ago
  > My comment is that it is not ONLY low fiber diets. Well, you said "can't" and I asked "why", which feels very reasonable to me. Your argument seems to be that it wouldn't account properly for the data - specifically, you're saying we would have seen colon cancer rates rise earlier. > Western diet collapsed its fiber intake well over 80 years ago - it would have shown up already. I don't really buy this for a lot of reasons. Probably the two most important are (a) ability to screen historically and (b) the timing isn't particularly "off" for the fiber argument. We did see it already, we've been seeing increases in color cancer risks for decades. Now, I'm not married to it "just" being fiber whatsoever, but if I were to "bet" on the major contributing factor, naively, that's where my money would go. I think it's very reasonable to not place your bet there.
  - boringg 7mo ago
    Should be a betting service for this kind of thing instead of sports betting. Maybe all the men betting sports might read and change their habits based on the betting outcomes (and improve their health). I would also bet top reason is fiber but it isn't the only reason - multiple factors at play.
    - staticassertion 7mo ago
      I think that's all very fair.
  - kvgr 7mo ago
    Yeah, i wonder what was the fiber i take for someone from egypt or hunter gatherers. I get it that in our modern diet, fiber is better than sugar and plastic stuff made in factories combining oils and sugar into something that looks like food. But if a person is regular and does not have any gut issues, how would more fiber help?
    - staticassertion 7mo ago
      > Yeah, i wonder what was the fiber i take for someone from egypt or hunter gatherers. Very high. > But if a person is regular and does not have any gut issues, how would more fiber help? There is a ton of research about this and it's why WHO and other orgs state explicitly that fiber reduces rates of colon cancer.
    - Jerrrrrrrry 7mo ago
      99% of humans ate meat, amd fruits occasionally. Fiber does nothing.
      - staticassertion 7mo ago
        lol this is such utter bullshit? I'm blown away by how confidently stated and how utterly incorrect this is. 1. Ancient egyptians ate fucktons of wheat and barley, lentils, chickpeas, etc. They ate massive amounts of fiber lol I mean holy fuck I just can't believe how wrong you are? 2. Fiber is very, very well understood by ALL health organizations to be preventative for colon cancer.
        boringg 7mo ago
        You shouldn't feed the trolls.
        staticassertion 7mo ago
        Maybe, but the person they're responding to seemed to be genuine in their question, and I worry that they'll read a statement like "they mostly ate meat" and think it's plausible when it's insanely incorrect.

boringg 7mo ago

My comment is that it is not ONLY low fiber diets. There are a lot of other risk factors involved. Will high fiber help - absolutely. Is it the be all end all - no I doubt it. Western diet collapsed its fiber intake well over 80 years ago - it would have shown up already.

staticassertion 7mo ago
> My comment is that it is not ONLY low fiber diets. Well, you said "can't" and I asked "why", which feels very reasonable to me. Your argument seems to be that it wouldn't account properly for the data - specifically, you're saying we would have seen colon cancer rates rise earlier. > Western diet collapsed its fiber intake well over 80 years ago - it would have shown up already. I don't really buy this for a lot of reasons. Probably the two most important are (a) ability to screen historically and (b) the timing isn't particularly "off" for the fiber argument. We did see it already, we've been seeing increases in color cancer risks for decades. Now, I'm not married to it "just" being fiber whatsoever, but if I were to "bet" on the major contributing factor, naively, that's where my money would go. I think it's very reasonable to not place your bet there.
- boringg 7mo ago
  Should be a betting service for this kind of thing instead of sports betting. Maybe all the men betting sports might read and change their habits based on the betting outcomes (and improve their health). I would also bet top reason is fiber but it isn't the only reason - multiple factors at play.
  - staticassertion 7mo ago
    I think that's all very fair.
- kvgr 7mo ago
  Yeah, i wonder what was the fiber i take for someone from egypt or hunter gatherers. I get it that in our modern diet, fiber is better than sugar and plastic stuff made in factories combining oils and sugar into something that looks like food. But if a person is regular and does not have any gut issues, how would more fiber help?
  - staticassertion 7mo ago
    > Yeah, i wonder what was the fiber i take for someone from egypt or hunter gatherers. Very high. > But if a person is regular and does not have any gut issues, how would more fiber help? There is a ton of research about this and it's why WHO and other orgs state explicitly that fiber reduces rates of colon cancer.
  - Jerrrrrrrry 7mo ago
    99% of humans ate meat, amd fruits occasionally. Fiber does nothing.
    - staticassertion 7mo ago
      lol this is such utter bullshit? I'm blown away by how confidently stated and how utterly incorrect this is. 1. Ancient egyptians ate fucktons of wheat and barley, lentils, chickpeas, etc. They ate massive amounts of fiber lol I mean holy fuck I just can't believe how wrong you are? 2. Fiber is very, very well understood by ALL health organizations to be preventative for colon cancer.
      - boringg 7mo ago
        You shouldn't feed the trolls.
        staticassertion 7mo ago
        Maybe, but the person they're responding to seemed to be genuine in their question, and I worry that they'll read a statement like "they mostly ate meat" and think it's plausible when it's insanely incorrect.