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> It’s a big source of fraud This isn't 'fraud' in any meaningful moral sense, it is a rational reaction to immoral, unjust school funding models that perpetua

> It’s a big source of fraud This isn't 'fraud' in any meaningful moral sense, it is a rational reaction to immoral, unjust school funding models that perpetuate systemic inequalities based on the zip-code you can afford. I'm sure schools have a duty to police this in their mind, sure, but I side with parents trying to evade the boundaries they've been put because they weren't born rich enough.

viggity 7mo ago
The difference in outcomes isn't from funding/resources. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/06/26/why-do-the-results-of-immigrant-students-depend-so-much-on-their-country-of-origin-and-so-little-on-their-country-of-destination/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/06/26/why-do-the...
- HelloMcFly 7mo ago
  What am I supposed to be reading here? The article? The short snippet of commentary about it? The back-and-forth comments on the commentary? Your link seems to have nothing to say about inequitible school quality based on unfair, racist, classist propety tax funding models. How about this one which followed cohorts for 40 years and found substantial differences in life outcomes correlated* to school funding levels (PDF ALERT!): https://gsppi.berkeley.edu/~ruckerj/QJE_resubmit_final_version.pdf https://gsppi.berkeley.edu/~ruckerj/QJE_resubmit_final_versi.... Crucially this looks at life outcomes, not just test scores. --- *Just in case someone wants to remind me or anyone else that correlation does not equal causation, I will say "I know" and "in longitudinal studies, time operates as an exogenous variable that adds substantial evidence of causality in well-designed research.
  - viggity 7mo ago
    I am suggesting that the major causative factor for life outcomes is genetics. Not "racist" property tax funding models. You can take the girl out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl.
    - HelloMcFly 7mo ago
      Ah, I see. Rock-solid, longitudinal studies be damned - the "lesser peoples" just get what they deserve.
cmiles8 7mo ago
It’s fraud. You may think it’s OK to steal because the end justifies the means… but it’s still stealing.
- HelloMcFly 7mo ago
  I don't disagree. It's a legal fraud, but it's not a moral fraud. I do not view "the law" a neutral arbiter of morality, and given what is happening in the US right now I hope you don't either.

viggity 7mo ago

The difference in outcomes isn't from funding/resources. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/06/26/why-do-the-results-of-immigrant-students-depend-so-much-on-their-country-of-origin-and-so-little-on-their-country-of-destination/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/06/26/why-do-the...

HelloMcFly 7mo ago
What am I supposed to be reading here? The article? The short snippet of commentary about it? The back-and-forth comments on the commentary? Your link seems to have nothing to say about inequitible school quality based on unfair, racist, classist propety tax funding models. How about this one which followed cohorts for 40 years and found substantial differences in life outcomes correlated* to school funding levels (PDF ALERT!): https://gsppi.berkeley.edu/~ruckerj/QJE_resubmit_final_version.pdf https://gsppi.berkeley.edu/~ruckerj/QJE_resubmit_final_versi.... Crucially this looks at life outcomes, not just test scores. --- *Just in case someone wants to remind me or anyone else that correlation does not equal causation, I will say "I know" and "in longitudinal studies, time operates as an exogenous variable that adds substantial evidence of causality in well-designed research.
- viggity 7mo ago
  I am suggesting that the major causative factor for life outcomes is genetics. Not "racist" property tax funding models. You can take the girl out of the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl.
  - HelloMcFly 7mo ago
    Ah, I see. Rock-solid, longitudinal studies be damned - the "lesser peoples" just get what they deserve.

cmiles8 7mo ago

It’s fraud. You may think it’s OK to steal because the end justifies the means… but it’s still stealing.

HelloMcFly 7mo ago
I don't disagree. It's a legal fraud, but it's not a moral fraud. I do not view "the law" a neutral arbiter of morality, and given what is happening in the US right now I hope you don't either.