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Prepare for a major drop in what was already spread-too-thin enforcement of what are fairly low quality and safety standards relative to the rest of the develop

Prepare for a major drop in what was already spread-too-thin enforcement of what are fairly low quality and safety standards relative to the rest of the developed world.

tencentshill 7mo ago
But metal shavings add so much flavour to my meals! It really makes eating an exciting adventure.
quentindanjou 7mo ago
Time to become a GI doctor!
SoftTalker 7mo ago
Just grow your own food. /s
mothballed 7mo ago
With poor enforcement, it would be nice if at least I could buy my meat directly from the farmer I know where at least I can see the facilities for myself, but they have made that illegal -- no you must buy it through one of the poorly enforced USDA approved slaughterhouses that I have no personal connection to.
- bognition 7mo ago
  Interesting, where are you running into trouble buying meat from local farmers? I've often visit rural farms that have a store houses. Nearly all of them haver refrigerators and freezers with meat to buy.
- CGMthrowaway 7mo ago
  There is currently a bill in Congress trying to address (some of) that: https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/family_grocery_and_farmer_relief_act__section-by-section_3526.pdf https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/family_grocer... And also milk: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8374 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8374
  - magicalist 7mo ago
    > And also milk: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8374 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8374 lol yes what we really need right now is unregulated interstate sales of raw milk. Luckily that was introduced in 2024 (last congress) and went nowhere.
- delichon 7mo ago
  I buy beef in bulk from a rancher, who sends me to get it from a USDA approved slaughterhouse. Which is a small family operation, so I've gotten to know them well too. They raise the most delicious lamb I've ever tasted.
- whoiskevin 7mo ago
  Never had any problem buying from local farms. Not sure where that is illegal.
- ne0flex 7mo ago
  Your comment reminded me of this book called, "everything I want to do is illegal" [1] written by a farmer that talks about his annoyances with the US food system and how regulations favor corporate farming. [1] https://tinyurl.com/hb95amyw https://tinyurl.com/hb95amyw
  - WalterGR 7mo ago
    Direct link so you aren’t tracked by tinyurl: https://bookstore.acresusa.com/products/everything-i-want-to-do-is-illegal https://bookstore.acresusa.com/products/everything-i-want-to...
- blackjack_ 7mo ago
  Yeah one of my friends is bashing her head against the wall about this. She’s a small farmer up on the Olympic peninsula where there are no approved slaughterhouses for small farmers to use to process meat, so them selling the meat locally to people around them is illegal. So she is trying to build one for the surrounding area, except all the regulations that exist are for insanely scaled operations and make no sense for a small scale… so she has to keep petitioning the county about different things.
  - cherry_tree 7mo ago
    Why not just sell the animals and offer her butchering services for free separate from any transaction?
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > they have made that illegal We have the Food Freedom Act in Wyoming [1]. It technically requires meat be sold "for future delivery provided that the processing of the animals is done by the purchaser or by a Wyoming or federally licensed processing facility." But in my experience, ranchers are liberal with how they define me "processing" my meat. (In one case, he pointed out the bits of silver skin he hadn't trimmed. So I "processed" those off at home.) [1] https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2015/HB0056 https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2015/HB0056
- naravara 7mo ago
  Do you think “have a personal relationship with the farmer, slaughterhouse, and butcher” is a scalable solution? And if you happen to live near a cattle ranch and know your supply chain for beef, how are you going to establish a relationship with the guy selling you fish as well? Will you be making road trips to the coast to talk to some fishermen and ride along on their boats? The instinct to see a bureaucratic system working poorly and resolving to opt out instead of fixing it is precisely why everything sucks right now. You can’t just work and vibe and spend your way out of living in an advanced industrial society.
- jalapenoj 7mo ago
  A bureaucrat losing his job is always a good thing.
  - mindslight 7mo ago
    That falls a bit flat when the bureaucrat has been replaced by an autocrat, don't you think?
  - atmavatar 7mo ago
    That's about as useful and true as "a programmer losing his/her job to AI is always a good thing". There certainly exist bad regulations and bad bureaucrats, but many (most?) regulations are written in blood, whether it be from employees, customers, or merely innocent bystanders, and there needs to be a group of people who facilitate said regulations. I'm all for aggressive and continuous re-evaluation of regulations and downsizing bloated bureaucracies, but blanket "all bueeaucrats/regulations are bad" sentiments gets us ineffectual and grifting BS like DOGE, and it creates the very real possibility we'll have to re-learn bloody lessons down the road. Knee-capping the USDA will almost certainly to lead to some very painful education in the future.
xbar 7mo ago
Listeria? Who's she?
JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> Prepare for a major drop in what was already spread-too-thin enforcement Genuine question: do we have historical analogs or studies for the costs and benefits of concentrated versus decentralised regulation?
Freedom2 7mo ago
Interesting. In my experience, the US still has one of highest food qualities in the world, especially when you take into account it's diversity and variety. Sure, some things get missed here and there, but it's also a lot easier to be safe and consistent if you aren't producing the types of food the US is.
- DougN7 7mo ago
  I guess it depends on what you mean by safe. My wife gets a lot of migraines from a lot of foods in the US (less so if she can get organic). When we travel through Europe she can eat anything without triggering a migraine. I’ve read the US allows about 10X more chemicals (pesticides? fertilizers?) than the EU, so we assume this is the difference.

Prepare for a major drop in what was already spread-too-thin enforcement of what are fairly low quality and safety standards relative to the rest of the developed world.

tencentshill 7mo ago

But metal shavings add so much flavour to my meals! It really makes eating an exciting adventure.

quentindanjou 7mo ago

Time to become a GI doctor!

SoftTalker 7mo ago

Just grow your own food. /s

mothballed 7mo ago

With poor enforcement, it would be nice if at least I could buy my meat directly from the farmer I know where at least I can see the facilities for myself, but they have made that illegal -- no you must buy it through one of the poorly enforced USDA approved slaughterhouses that I have no personal connection to.

bognition 7mo ago
Interesting, where are you running into trouble buying meat from local farmers? I've often visit rural farms that have a store houses. Nearly all of them haver refrigerators and freezers with meat to buy.
CGMthrowaway 7mo ago
There is currently a bill in Congress trying to address (some of) that: https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/family_grocery_and_farmer_relief_act__section-by-section_3526.pdf https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/family_grocer... And also milk: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8374 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8374
- magicalist 7mo ago
  > And also milk: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8374 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8374 lol yes what we really need right now is unregulated interstate sales of raw milk. Luckily that was introduced in 2024 (last congress) and went nowhere.
delichon 7mo ago
I buy beef in bulk from a rancher, who sends me to get it from a USDA approved slaughterhouse. Which is a small family operation, so I've gotten to know them well too. They raise the most delicious lamb I've ever tasted.
whoiskevin 7mo ago
Never had any problem buying from local farms. Not sure where that is illegal.
ne0flex 7mo ago
Your comment reminded me of this book called, "everything I want to do is illegal" [1] written by a farmer that talks about his annoyances with the US food system and how regulations favor corporate farming. [1] https://tinyurl.com/hb95amyw https://tinyurl.com/hb95amyw
- WalterGR 7mo ago
  Direct link so you aren’t tracked by tinyurl: https://bookstore.acresusa.com/products/everything-i-want-to-do-is-illegal https://bookstore.acresusa.com/products/everything-i-want-to...
blackjack_ 7mo ago
Yeah one of my friends is bashing her head against the wall about this. She’s a small farmer up on the Olympic peninsula where there are no approved slaughterhouses for small farmers to use to process meat, so them selling the meat locally to people around them is illegal. So she is trying to build one for the surrounding area, except all the regulations that exist are for insanely scaled operations and make no sense for a small scale… so she has to keep petitioning the county about different things.
- cherry_tree 7mo ago
  Why not just sell the animals and offer her butchering services for free separate from any transaction?
JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
> they have made that illegal We have the Food Freedom Act in Wyoming [1]. It technically requires meat be sold "for future delivery provided that the processing of the animals is done by the purchaser or by a Wyoming or federally licensed processing facility." But in my experience, ranchers are liberal with how they define me "processing" my meat. (In one case, he pointed out the bits of silver skin he hadn't trimmed. So I "processed" those off at home.) [1] https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2015/HB0056 https://www.wyoleg.gov/Legislation/2015/HB0056
naravara 7mo ago
Do you think “have a personal relationship with the farmer, slaughterhouse, and butcher” is a scalable solution? And if you happen to live near a cattle ranch and know your supply chain for beef, how are you going to establish a relationship with the guy selling you fish as well? Will you be making road trips to the coast to talk to some fishermen and ride along on their boats? The instinct to see a bureaucratic system working poorly and resolving to opt out instead of fixing it is precisely why everything sucks right now. You can’t just work and vibe and spend your way out of living in an advanced industrial society.
jalapenoj 7mo ago
A bureaucrat losing his job is always a good thing.
- mindslight 7mo ago
  That falls a bit flat when the bureaucrat has been replaced by an autocrat, don't you think?
- atmavatar 7mo ago
  That's about as useful and true as "a programmer losing his/her job to AI is always a good thing". There certainly exist bad regulations and bad bureaucrats, but many (most?) regulations are written in blood, whether it be from employees, customers, or merely innocent bystanders, and there needs to be a group of people who facilitate said regulations. I'm all for aggressive and continuous re-evaluation of regulations and downsizing bloated bureaucracies, but blanket "all bueeaucrats/regulations are bad" sentiments gets us ineffectual and grifting BS like DOGE, and it creates the very real possibility we'll have to re-learn bloody lessons down the road. Knee-capping the USDA will almost certainly to lead to some very painful education in the future.

xbar 7mo ago

Listeria? Who's she?

JumpCrisscross 7mo ago

> Prepare for a major drop in what was already spread-too-thin enforcement Genuine question: do we have historical analogs or studies for the costs and benefits of concentrated versus decentralised regulation?

Freedom2 7mo ago

Interesting. In my experience, the US still has one of highest food qualities in the world, especially when you take into account it's diversity and variety. Sure, some things get missed here and there, but it's also a lot easier to be safe and consistent if you aren't producing the types of food the US is.

DougN7 7mo ago
I guess it depends on what you mean by safe. My wife gets a lot of migraines from a lot of foods in the US (less so if she can get organic). When we travel through Europe she can eat anything without triggering a migraine. I’ve read the US allows about 10X more chemicals (pesticides? fertilizers?) than the EU, so we assume this is the difference.