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That's a shame, they make impressive products

by fnord77 7mo ago

4gotunameagain 7mo ago
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- burnermore 7mo ago
  See, here is what I've observed. I don't expect to change your POVs. Nevertheless... The issue started when Israel was ready to have recognition from Saudi Arabia on their statehood. This would make Hamas irrelevant. And puts Sunnis (Iran) lesser recognised. Meanwhile Shia's (Saudi) will become the defacto in the Muslim world and half of Muslim world would either tolerate or be OK with Israel. Hamas attack on Israel at Oct 7 stopped that. Hamas has been supported by Iran for a long time. So in the whole Gaza - Israel thing, Iran was backing Hamas. Then they proxied with them by providing assistance. Then they eventually directly got involved. You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7. While I reject US toppling govts around the world, Iran's hand is not clean in this one. But also, US thought this would be as easy as Venezuela and killing Iran's leader will stop this. Interfering in other countries biz have consequences. And in this case, it's true for Iran & US.
  - dns_snek 7mo ago
    > You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7. What a disgusting and patronizing rewriting of history. This "peace" was enforced by ongoing occupation of Palestine and abuse of the people living there.
    - yard2010 7mo ago
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  - ribosometronome 7mo ago
    Sure, if you consider Israel killing several hundred Palestinians each year and having a thousand hostages, sorry, "administrative detainees" indefinitely incarcerated without charge as they continued to colonize Palestinian land peaceful.
  - docdeek 7mo ago
    Pretty sure you have your Sunni and Shia confused there.
  - Erem 7mo ago
    > Sunnis (Iran)…Shia (Saudi) These are reversed
    - burnermore 7mo ago
      My bad. I meant that and typed exactly the opposite. Thanks.
  - Hikikomori 7mo ago
    Mowing the lawn and stealing land in the west bank is what you call peace? Israel even killed Irans negotiators last year when they were getting close to a deal. This situation is engineered, Netanyahu has wanted this for decades.
    - burnermore 7mo ago
      Thanks for pointing this out. TIL! But this is after Oct 7 attack?
  - coldtea 7mo ago
    >You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7. Yes, in the year before Oct 7. alone Israel army had only killed about 40 Palestinian children (34 alone between Jan and Nov 2022). Not to mention Iran has been a target since 2001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4 - if not since 1953 (their 1979 changes being a response to the 1950s western invervention that installed a dictatorship), if not since forever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game
- koshergweilo 7mo ago
  I have no idea why you would assume Israel had to resort to extortion to get Trump to help them bomb Iran. We bombed Venezuela a few weeks ago, no extortion required. It's far more likely he was did it because Hegseth thought it would be more manly or something more ego driven than extortion. More likely it's just another example of flooding the zone to forget about the Epstein files and the stagnating economy
  - 4gotunameagain 7mo ago
    I am thinking the theories are true because of the must larger negative repercussions of that action. They are strengthening the regime (US intelligence services were aware of that before the attack and had informed the president), they are destabilizing all their oil producers, they are risking great economic cost.. It only makes sense if indeed they either extorted him, or if he is indeed demented / deranged.
    - names_are_hard 7mo ago
      Or he's just a manchild who likes doing things that he thinks will make him look strong.
      - autoexec 7mo ago
        Picking on someone vastly weaker than you (especially while they're already getting beat up by somebody else) doesn't make you look strong, it mostly just makes you look like an asshole, and probably an asshole who is too scared or too weak to go after somebody who can actually fight back.
        koshergweilo 7mo ago
        > it mostly just makes you look like an asshole This is true, but only for a certain percentage of the US population. Large swaths of this country think that picking on our weaker neighbors evidence of our strength
    - 7mo ago

That's a shame, they make impressive products

by fnord77 7mo ago

That's a shame, they make impressive products

4gotunameagain 7mo ago

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burnermore 7mo ago
See, here is what I've observed. I don't expect to change your POVs. Nevertheless... The issue started when Israel was ready to have recognition from Saudi Arabia on their statehood. This would make Hamas irrelevant. And puts Sunnis (Iran) lesser recognised. Meanwhile Shia's (Saudi) will become the defacto in the Muslim world and half of Muslim world would either tolerate or be OK with Israel. Hamas attack on Israel at Oct 7 stopped that. Hamas has been supported by Iran for a long time. So in the whole Gaza - Israel thing, Iran was backing Hamas. Then they proxied with them by providing assistance. Then they eventually directly got involved. You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7. While I reject US toppling govts around the world, Iran's hand is not clean in this one. But also, US thought this would be as easy as Venezuela and killing Iran's leader will stop this. Interfering in other countries biz have consequences. And in this case, it's true for Iran & US.
- dns_snek 7mo ago
  > You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7. What a disgusting and patronizing rewriting of history. This "peace" was enforced by ongoing occupation of Palestine and abuse of the people living there.
  - yard2010 7mo ago
    [flagged]
- ribosometronome 7mo ago
  Sure, if you consider Israel killing several hundred Palestinians each year and having a thousand hostages, sorry, "administrative detainees" indefinitely incarcerated without charge as they continued to colonize Palestinian land peaceful.
- docdeek 7mo ago
  Pretty sure you have your Sunni and Shia confused there.
- Erem 7mo ago
  > Sunnis (Iran)…Shia (Saudi) These are reversed
  - burnermore 7mo ago
    My bad. I meant that and typed exactly the opposite. Thanks.
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  Mowing the lawn and stealing land in the west bank is what you call peace? Israel even killed Irans negotiators last year when they were getting close to a deal. This situation is engineered, Netanyahu has wanted this for decades.
  - burnermore 7mo ago
    Thanks for pointing this out. TIL! But this is after Oct 7 attack?
- coldtea 7mo ago
  >You need to understand, there was good period of peace between Israel & Palestine until Oct 7. Yes, in the year before Oct 7. alone Israel army had only killed about 40 Palestinian children (34 alone between Jan and Nov 2022). Not to mention Iran has been a target since 2001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt7s_Wed_4 - if not since 1953 (their 1979 changes being a response to the 1950s western invervention that installed a dictatorship), if not since forever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Game
koshergweilo 7mo ago
I have no idea why you would assume Israel had to resort to extortion to get Trump to help them bomb Iran. We bombed Venezuela a few weeks ago, no extortion required. It's far more likely he was did it because Hegseth thought it would be more manly or something more ego driven than extortion. More likely it's just another example of flooding the zone to forget about the Epstein files and the stagnating economy
- 4gotunameagain 7mo ago
  I am thinking the theories are true because of the must larger negative repercussions of that action. They are strengthening the regime (US intelligence services were aware of that before the attack and had informed the president), they are destabilizing all their oil producers, they are risking great economic cost.. It only makes sense if indeed they either extorted him, or if he is indeed demented / deranged.
  - names_are_hard 7mo ago
    Or he's just a manchild who likes doing things that he thinks will make him look strong.
    - autoexec 7mo ago
      Picking on someone vastly weaker than you (especially while they're already getting beat up by somebody else) doesn't make you look strong, it mostly just makes you look like an asshole, and probably an asshole who is too scared or too weak to go after somebody who can actually fight back.
      - koshergweilo 7mo ago
        > it mostly just makes you look like an asshole This is true, but only for a certain percentage of the US population. Large swaths of this country think that picking on our weaker neighbors evidence of our strength
  - 7mo ago