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Once the ballot is removed from the envelope, it is just a sheet of paper with votes on it. There's no name, serial number, or signature on it. Hence "stuffing

Once the ballot is removed from the envelope, it is just a sheet of paper with votes on it. There's no name, serial number, or signature on it. Hence "stuffing" in more ballots cannot be detected. Printing the ballots on security paper will not eliminate this risk, but it will make it much harder. I don't know if there is an auditable "chain of custody" of ballots from mailbox to the counting center. The fraud here would be "losing" ballots that are from precincts that tilt significantly in one direction or another.

tdeck 8mo ago
> Hence "stuffing" in more ballots cannot be detected. The whole envelope opening and ballot counting process is recorded and streamed live from multiple angles. https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/elections/about-us/security-and-accountability/elections-security-measures https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/elections/about-us/security-a...
- WalterBright 8mo ago
  That sounds good. But it doesn't account for the ballot from your mail box to the processing center. Nor does it check citizenship & residency status. Ballot harvesting is also legal and takes place in Washington state.
  - throwaway85825 8mo ago
    The Turkish citizen who did a mass shooting in a mall voted in Washington.
  - tdeck 8mo ago
    Those things are checked based on the envelope, as other people already pointed out to you in this thread.
    - WalterBright 8mo ago
      Other people pointed out other things to me, not those.
pajko 8mo ago
There's bigger issue than stuffing. In "rural" Hungary chain voting is customary where people are taken to the voting place by gangs and are either awarded with some money or a bag of potatoes, or threatened to be beaten if they do not comply. The first voter of the chain goes in, takes the ballot, hides it and takes it out. It is then pre-filled by the gang. The next voters take the prefilled ballot in, throw it in the box and bring a fresh clean ballot out, and so on... In other cases, people get money/bag of potatoes for a photo of their correctly filled ballot.

tdeck 8mo ago

> Hence "stuffing" in more ballots cannot be detected. The whole envelope opening and ballot counting process is recorded and streamed live from multiple angles. https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/elections/about-us/security-and-accountability/elections-security-measures https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/elections/about-us/security-a...

WalterBright 8mo ago
That sounds good. But it doesn't account for the ballot from your mail box to the processing center. Nor does it check citizenship & residency status. Ballot harvesting is also legal and takes place in Washington state.
- throwaway85825 8mo ago
  The Turkish citizen who did a mass shooting in a mall voted in Washington.
- tdeck 8mo ago
  Those things are checked based on the envelope, as other people already pointed out to you in this thread.
  - WalterBright 8mo ago
    Other people pointed out other things to me, not those.

pajko 8mo ago

There's bigger issue than stuffing. In "rural" Hungary chain voting is customary where people are taken to the voting place by gangs and are either awarded with some money or a bag of potatoes, or threatened to be beaten if they do not comply. The first voter of the chain goes in, takes the ballot, hides it and takes it out. It is then pre-filled by the gang. The next voters take the prefilled ballot in, throw it in the box and bring a fresh clean ballot out, and so on... In other cases, people get money/bag of potatoes for a photo of their correctly filled ballot.