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Interesting point. But I don’t think you must experience something to be afraid of it, even as a population. Nobody experienced the terror of a world ending nuc
by close04 7mo ago
Interesting point. But I don’t think you must experience something to be afraid of it, even as a population. Nobody experienced the terror of a world ending nuclear war, large asteroid strike, or solar flare (alien invasion if you want to go that far), etc. and they still terrify a lot of people. Sometimes even more than death itself.
To be more pragmatic, it’s now pretty common today for people to die and modern medicine brings them back. For practical purposes the person was dead, by some other interpretations they weren’t, if you consider the only “real” death to be the permanent one.
- cobbzilla 7mo agoit’s fairly simple: clinical death = heart stops = reversible, depends on circumstances brain death = irreversible = perma-dead. no one’s ever come back. legal death = brain dead (not clinical) or court order (missing for X years/etc)
- close04 7mo agoI’m putting the current medical definition aside, we’ve been pushing the boundaries of what’s possible and who knows what the next centuries redefine. For the longest time in human history “clinical death” was almost always followed by permadeath. As the person doing the dying you can’t rationalize it as “no worries, it’s just clinical, I’ll be back”. You die, it’s light out, later on, a blink for you, you recover and are told “you were clinically dead”. You experienced death for all intents and purposes because I don’t think there’s a cognitive process that allows you to differentiate the stages. Heck, deep sleep might be how death “feels” like. Do people fear death (excluding suffering) because of the threshold itself or the FOMO? Missing on what would come next?
- XorNot 7mo agoThese days I'm rather more concerned that a lot can come next. The cessation of my sensory experience might be a very long time, but from my perspective random chance bringing me back would be instantaneous.
- cobbzilla 7mo agoFair enough, and I had the (mis?)fortune of watching folks go through that as an EMT. For sure when clinical death starts (even if later reversed), some processes kick in that never would otherwise activate, totally agree. The commonality of near-death-experience suggests something very basal.
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoThe medical standard for death has equated it with brain death since at least 1981, though arguably it started in the 1960s. The history of the definition of death[1] is fascinating. 1. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5570697/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5570697/