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I see. So AI is reducing the number of jobs in the tech sector because fewer people are needed to ship stuff (thanks to AI). And since fewer people are needed a

by karim79 8mo ago

I see. So AI is reducing the number of jobs in the tech sector because fewer people are needed to ship stuff (thanks to AI). And since fewer people are needed across the tech sector then we don't need things like Jira anymore because it can all be done on post-its or Google sheets or something, so there's no need for Atlassian accounts anymore. And Atlassian can now do more with less thanks to AI. I can't wait for Atlassian physical sticky-notes to take over. [Edit: grammo and formatting]

bdcravens 8mo ago
In many cases, sticky notes are more productive.
- thoman23 8mo ago
  Where "many cases" all involve a team of 2 to 5 people working together in the same room and never bringing work home.
  - sanswork 8mo ago
    I'm pretty confident though with no solid evidence if you lower the first number by 1 you are describing the vast majority of employed programmers in the world.
- deleted 8mo ago
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- oliyoung 8mo ago
  wait, can you _see_ my desk right now?
- llbbdd 8mo ago
  Dragging a card to the "Done" column just doesn't hit as hard as crumpling up a sticky note and yeeting it.
- nunez 8mo ago
  And really hard to coordinate with remote teams. I say this as a lover of sticky notes.
  - nineteen999 8mo ago
    Just stick an iPad on top of a stick with wheels. https://www.doublerobotics.com/ https://www.doublerobotics.com/ Isn't the solution obvious? Yes I have seen and worked at Web 1.99 companies buying these. "Telepresence". Yikes.
martin_drapeau 8mo ago
In my last jobs Jira was used, and despised by all except product managers. It just becomes a mess. In my startup (now 20 people), we use Trello. Outsiders look at us funny. I respond that its the same company after all...
- ExoticPearTree 8mo ago
  I hate Jira just like any other sane person does. But really, Trello? I found it worse than Jira. /smh
- fhub 8mo ago
  The best task management solution is the one you just moved to as it doesn't have years of junk in it.
prpl 8mo ago
Agile itself is predicated on software being difficult to ship/expensive. It might not make sense to continue (waterfall might be better actually) The real problem is that company decisions will never be made as fast as software can be written (and rewritten) now.
- dragonwriter 8mo ago
  > Agile itself is predicated on software being difficult to ship/expensive. No, the opposite; it is predicated on software being cheap and easy to ship, but hard to correctly anticipate the needs for. > It might not make sense to continue (waterfall might be better actually) Waterfall, not agile, is predicated on software being difficult to ship/expensive.
  - jboy55 8mo ago
    Imagine doing AI development in waterfall. You spend weeks writing your prompt, when you think you have it perfect, only then do you submit it to the AI. Then you wait a week or so, and see what it produced, expecting it to be exactly what you wrote. Or, do you tell it the basic functionality you want, test it out, then add feature after feature that you want, sometimes dropping them and sometimes adding new ones that you thought of as your worked.
    - lazystar 8mo ago
      > Or, do you tell it the basic functionality you want, test it out, then add feature after feature that you want, sometimes dropping them and sometimes adding new ones that you thought of as your worked the problem with this is long term maintainability. it works - and the engineer understands how it works - but a) the AI does not prioritize cleanup/organization/naming, and b) there's a blind spot/boiling frog type of phenomenon that can prevent the engineer from spotting the growing problem. the codebase becomes recognizable only to them. the engineer sees all features working, all bugs fixed, 90% test coverage, and submits it for a PR. the engineer tasked with reviewing the PR will treat it as slop.
    - prpl 8mo ago
nunez 8mo ago
Glad you mentioned Google Sheets. I moved my personal task tracking from Trello to Notion to Sheets. Sheets has been the best for me. Infinite customizability, fast, lean.
- ItsBob 8mo ago
  I'm curious how you use Sheets as a Trello-like replacement. I use Trello from time to time but my most recent project is using actual Post-It notes stuck to my monitor, wall etc. If Sheets works (I love simplicity) then I'll give it a go but I checked and I can't find any templates for Kanban or such.
achenatx 8mo ago
when agile was fairly new I worked with remote developers that had 3 locations. My specialty is software requirements and my team was brought in to do the product management. The developers had read somewhere if you were using a database to do requirements then you were doing agile wrong. They wanted me to write post it notes in triplicate, then fedex them to all their offices.
talldan 8mo ago
I don't think it's completely right. Jira is a task manager, and the task throughput supposedly remains the same, just fewer assignees. I think these companies should be pivoting to something where tasks/issues are the places you write the prompts for the AI, or augment the prompts that devs use. It's a big shift though.

by karim79 8mo ago

bdcravens 8mo ago

In many cases, sticky notes are more productive.

thoman23 8mo ago
Where "many cases" all involve a team of 2 to 5 people working together in the same room and never bringing work home.
- sanswork 8mo ago
  I'm pretty confident though with no solid evidence if you lower the first number by 1 you are describing the vast majority of employed programmers in the world.
deleted 8mo ago
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oliyoung 8mo ago
wait, can you _see_ my desk right now?
llbbdd 8mo ago
Dragging a card to the "Done" column just doesn't hit as hard as crumpling up a sticky note and yeeting it.
nunez 8mo ago
And really hard to coordinate with remote teams. I say this as a lover of sticky notes.
- nineteen999 8mo ago
  Just stick an iPad on top of a stick with wheels. https://www.doublerobotics.com/ https://www.doublerobotics.com/ Isn't the solution obvious? Yes I have seen and worked at Web 1.99 companies buying these. "Telepresence". Yikes.

martin_drapeau 8mo ago

In my last jobs Jira was used, and despised by all except product managers. It just becomes a mess. In my startup (now 20 people), we use Trello. Outsiders look at us funny. I respond that its the same company after all...

ExoticPearTree 8mo ago
I hate Jira just like any other sane person does. But really, Trello? I found it worse than Jira. /smh
fhub 8mo ago
The best task management solution is the one you just moved to as it doesn't have years of junk in it.

prpl 8mo ago

Agile itself is predicated on software being difficult to ship/expensive. It might not make sense to continue (waterfall might be better actually) The real problem is that company decisions will never be made as fast as software can be written (and rewritten) now.

dragonwriter 8mo ago
> Agile itself is predicated on software being difficult to ship/expensive. No, the opposite; it is predicated on software being cheap and easy to ship, but hard to correctly anticipate the needs for. > It might not make sense to continue (waterfall might be better actually) Waterfall, not agile, is predicated on software being difficult to ship/expensive.
- jboy55 8mo ago
  Imagine doing AI development in waterfall. You spend weeks writing your prompt, when you think you have it perfect, only then do you submit it to the AI. Then you wait a week or so, and see what it produced, expecting it to be exactly what you wrote. Or, do you tell it the basic functionality you want, test it out, then add feature after feature that you want, sometimes dropping them and sometimes adding new ones that you thought of as your worked.
  - lazystar 8mo ago
    > Or, do you tell it the basic functionality you want, test it out, then add feature after feature that you want, sometimes dropping them and sometimes adding new ones that you thought of as your worked the problem with this is long term maintainability. it works - and the engineer understands how it works - but a) the AI does not prioritize cleanup/organization/naming, and b) there's a blind spot/boiling frog type of phenomenon that can prevent the engineer from spotting the growing problem. the codebase becomes recognizable only to them. the engineer sees all features working, all bugs fixed, 90% test coverage, and submits it for a PR. the engineer tasked with reviewing the PR will treat it as slop.
  - prpl 8mo ago

nunez 8mo ago

Glad you mentioned Google Sheets. I moved my personal task tracking from Trello to Notion to Sheets. Sheets has been the best for me. Infinite customizability, fast, lean.

ItsBob 8mo ago
I'm curious how you use Sheets as a Trello-like replacement. I use Trello from time to time but my most recent project is using actual Post-It notes stuck to my monitor, wall etc. If Sheets works (I love simplicity) then I'll give it a go but I checked and I can't find any templates for Kanban or such.

achenatx 8mo ago

when agile was fairly new I worked with remote developers that had 3 locations. My specialty is software requirements and my team was brought in to do the product management. The developers had read somewhere if you were using a database to do requirements then you were doing agile wrong. They wanted me to write post it notes in triplicate, then fedex them to all their offices.

talldan 8mo ago

I don't think it's completely right. Jira is a task manager, and the task throughput supposedly remains the same, just fewer assignees. I think these companies should be pivoting to something where tasks/issues are the places you write the prompts for the AI, or augment the prompts that devs use. It's a big shift though.