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Do you though? Like what real difference does it make to you? Can you even tell if this has been passed through an LLM or not? If you can't tell, why does it

Do you though? Like what real difference does it make to you? Can you even tell if this has been passed through an LLM or not? If you can't tell, why does it matter? I don't want to be robo-slopped at en masse or be fed complete fabrications but neither of those actually require an LLM. If you're going to use an LLM to gather your thoughts, I don't see a problem with that.

Barrin92 7mo ago
>Like what real difference does it make to you? the difference is that you get to see the unfiltered, unique perspective of a real human being. Just like I don't want to talk to anyone through an instagram or tiktok beauty filter or accent remover. If your thoughts are unordered, it's okay I'll take your unordered thoughts over some smoothed over crap. Do people have really such a low opinion of themselves that they have to push every single thing through some kind of layer of artifice?
- wvenable 7mo ago
  > the difference is that you get to see the unfiltered, unique perspective of a real human being. The implicit unfounded assumption is whether that's actually worth more than a well written orderly response. Most comments are kind of crap. Not everyone is good at writing. In some cases, it might even be a disability aid. And if their comments aren't good, we have a system in place to rank them accordingly. Again, I think the only problem is quantity. If we're overrun with low-effort posts, no amount of ranking will help that.
  - munificent 7mo ago
    > The implicit unfounded assumption is whether that's actually worth more than a well written orderly response. It's not implicit or unfounded. The parent comment is explicitly saying that's what they prefer. And, as an actual human, their preference is intrinsically valid for them. If I like my kid's crappy cooking over a Michelin-star meal made by a robot... then I get to like my kid's crappy cooking more. I have that right. There is no social consensus when it comes to what I want. You can't argue whether my preference is correct or not, it's my preference.
    - wvenable 7mo ago
      As a software developer and human being, I know people often say they prefer one thing while actually preferring something else. That's human nature. People have strong feelings about AI in general and that can definitely cloud what they will say about it. Everybody hates AI but, like CGI in movies, they only likely hate the AI or CGI that they notice.
      - munificent 7mo ago
        Believing that, say, the use of AI will primarily enrich billionaires that are already doing societal harm is not clouding one's view of AI. It is one's view of AI. To say otherwise is to say that worrying about lung cancer is clouding one's view of smoking. > they only likely hate the AI or CGI that they notice. No, this is simply not true at all. I dislike use of AI even more when I don't notice it. My goal getting on the Internet is to connect with other actual people and their creativity. I want actual people to be more connected to each other, and AI makes that worse, especially when it's good enough that people don't even realize their are being intermediated by corporations pumping out simulated humanity.
        wvenable 7mo ago
        > Believing that, say, the use of AI will primarily enrich billionaires that are already doing societal harm is not clouding one's view of AI. It is one's view of AI. That's fine. Nobody is forcing you to use AI. I dislike it when people force their ideas onto others. > My goal getting on the Internet is to connect with other actual people and their creativity. It's too bad your goal doesn't include interacting with people who don't speak your language and use AI to translate for them. Or people who struggle with writing in general. I don't think it's as black and white as you make it out to be.
        munificent 7mo ago
        > Nobody is forcing you to use AI. I dislike it when people force their ideas onto others. I'm still being forced to live in a world filled with people who do use it and whose behavior affects me. We had the President of the United States posting AI-manipulated propaganda on social media. Millions of voters saw that, regardless of whether or not I happen to personally use ChatGPT. It doesn't matter if I light up a cigarette myself if I have to spend all day in a crowded bar where everyone else is smoking. > I don't think it's as black and white as you make it out to be. I'm not saying it's black and white. All I'm saying is that your description of someone's strong feelings about AI as "clouding" their stance is incorrect. You can be clear-headed about feeling something is a large net negative for the world.

Barrin92 7mo ago

>Like what real difference does it make to you? the difference is that you get to see the unfiltered, unique perspective of a real human being. Just like I don't want to talk to anyone through an instagram or tiktok beauty filter or accent remover. If your thoughts are unordered, it's okay I'll take your unordered thoughts over some smoothed over crap. Do people have really such a low opinion of themselves that they have to push every single thing through some kind of layer of artifice?

wvenable 7mo ago
> the difference is that you get to see the unfiltered, unique perspective of a real human being. The implicit unfounded assumption is whether that's actually worth more than a well written orderly response. Most comments are kind of crap. Not everyone is good at writing. In some cases, it might even be a disability aid. And if their comments aren't good, we have a system in place to rank them accordingly. Again, I think the only problem is quantity. If we're overrun with low-effort posts, no amount of ranking will help that.
- munificent 7mo ago
  > The implicit unfounded assumption is whether that's actually worth more than a well written orderly response. It's not implicit or unfounded. The parent comment is explicitly saying that's what they prefer. And, as an actual human, their preference is intrinsically valid for them. If I like my kid's crappy cooking over a Michelin-star meal made by a robot... then I get to like my kid's crappy cooking more. I have that right. There is no social consensus when it comes to what I want. You can't argue whether my preference is correct or not, it's my preference.
  - wvenable 7mo ago
    As a software developer and human being, I know people often say they prefer one thing while actually preferring something else. That's human nature. People have strong feelings about AI in general and that can definitely cloud what they will say about it. Everybody hates AI but, like CGI in movies, they only likely hate the AI or CGI that they notice.
    - munificent 7mo ago
      Believing that, say, the use of AI will primarily enrich billionaires that are already doing societal harm is not clouding one's view of AI. It is one's view of AI. To say otherwise is to say that worrying about lung cancer is clouding one's view of smoking. > they only likely hate the AI or CGI that they notice. No, this is simply not true at all. I dislike use of AI even more when I don't notice it. My goal getting on the Internet is to connect with other actual people and their creativity. I want actual people to be more connected to each other, and AI makes that worse, especially when it's good enough that people don't even realize their are being intermediated by corporations pumping out simulated humanity.
      - wvenable 7mo ago
        > Believing that, say, the use of AI will primarily enrich billionaires that are already doing societal harm is not clouding one's view of AI. It is one's view of AI. That's fine. Nobody is forcing you to use AI. I dislike it when people force their ideas onto others. > My goal getting on the Internet is to connect with other actual people and their creativity. It's too bad your goal doesn't include interacting with people who don't speak your language and use AI to translate for them. Or people who struggle with writing in general. I don't think it's as black and white as you make it out to be.
        munificent 7mo ago
        > Nobody is forcing you to use AI. I dislike it when people force their ideas onto others. I'm still being forced to live in a world filled with people who do use it and whose behavior affects me. We had the President of the United States posting AI-manipulated propaganda on social media. Millions of voters saw that, regardless of whether or not I happen to personally use ChatGPT. It doesn't matter if I light up a cigarette myself if I have to spend all day in a crowded bar where everyone else is smoking. > I don't think it's as black and white as you make it out to be. I'm not saying it's black and white. All I'm saying is that your description of someone's strong feelings about AI as "clouding" their stance is incorrect. You can be clear-headed about feeling something is a large net negative for the world.