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1800 people detained at "alligator Alcatraz" had their records purged from ICE databases, and are completely unaccounted for. Literally disappeared, and the onl

1800 people detained at "alligator Alcatraz" had their records purged from ICE databases, and are completely unaccounted for. Literally disappeared, and the only people whose word we have they're alive are the same people who disappeared them. Yes, the Uyghur genocide and paramilitary suppression and settler-colonialism of Tibet and Xinjiang is horrific, and will (hopefully) be recognized in the future as a genocide on par with others that 'enjoy' historical notoriety, but let's not pretend we're not well on our way to doing that here. The rhetoric of ethnic superiority and nationalism and birthright that exists in our government is the exact same rhetoric that exists in Xi Jinping's "Imperial Han" nationalism.

scarecrowbob 7mo ago
I dunno, personally I think it's actively worse; for instance I've read enough WEB DuBois and similar to know that chattel slavery didn't end because of some "goodness" in the part of the government which still is ruling us. The same government that helped murder 2M folks in Iraq. The same gov that paid death squads to kill nuns in El Salvador. At least China isn't in a position to have to reckon with how deep white supremacy runs in its culture. In fact, when I hear folks from the US talk about china without understanding their own history of racism and genocide and how that shit is still going on, all I can conclude is that they are operating under the same racist delusions that have historically brought the US to do such horrific things to the world.
- ang_cire 7mo ago
  > At least China isn't in a position to have to reckon with how deep white supremacy runs in its culture. Han Nationalism is rooted in racial supremacy. It's explicitly been pushed as the People and the Culture being inseparable, and the Culture being superior. That is the same "don't say the ipso facto part" that white supremacy uses to whitewash its bigotry too: "It's not 'white nationalism, it's Christian nationalism, but not like, all Christians, just the white ones, but it's totally definitely not white nationalism!" I think it's instructive that all 3 superpowers of the 20th and 21st centuries (and certainly most that I can think of historically) have a history of racial supremacy and nationalism, and engaging in genocide. I think you don't do the stuff that gets you to be a superpower without it. Hence, why I assert that ALL superpowers are immoral. The only purpose in trying to argue for a hierarchy between them is to lessen the impermissibility of one. They are impermissible, period.

scarecrowbob 7mo ago

I dunno, personally I think it's actively worse; for instance I've read enough WEB DuBois and similar to know that chattel slavery didn't end because of some "goodness" in the part of the government which still is ruling us. The same government that helped murder 2M folks in Iraq. The same gov that paid death squads to kill nuns in El Salvador. At least China isn't in a position to have to reckon with how deep white supremacy runs in its culture. In fact, when I hear folks from the US talk about china without understanding their own history of racism and genocide and how that shit is still going on, all I can conclude is that they are operating under the same racist delusions that have historically brought the US to do such horrific things to the world.

ang_cire 7mo ago
> At least China isn't in a position to have to reckon with how deep white supremacy runs in its culture. Han Nationalism is rooted in racial supremacy. It's explicitly been pushed as the People and the Culture being inseparable, and the Culture being superior. That is the same "don't say the ipso facto part" that white supremacy uses to whitewash its bigotry too: "It's not 'white nationalism, it's Christian nationalism, but not like, all Christians, just the white ones, but it's totally definitely not white nationalism!" I think it's instructive that all 3 superpowers of the 20th and 21st centuries (and certainly most that I can think of historically) have a history of racial supremacy and nationalism, and engaging in genocide. I think you don't do the stuff that gets you to be a superpower without it. Hence, why I assert that ALL superpowers are immoral. The only purpose in trying to argue for a hierarchy between them is to lessen the impermissibility of one. They are impermissible, period.