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> iOS will maintain high price points What high price points? iOS devices (phones and tablets) are pretty much at the same price as the competition.

pook1e 14y ago
In the past, I'd agree with you. However, comparing Google's latest lineup with Apple's latest lineup tells a much different story (all 16GB): Nexus 4: $349; iPhone 5: $699 Nexus 7: $199; iPad Mini: $329 Nexus 10: $399; iPad: $499 Of course, Apple and Google aren't in the same business, but they are very much competitors.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  > Apple and Google aren't in the same business And this makes a world of difference. Google is selling products at cost to drive their ad business. There's no way you can compare that to Apple's business model. The idea that Apple sells expensive products is a belief born out of the PC market, and if you want to compare apples to apples, you should be looking at the iPhone 5 vs the Samsung Galaxy S3.
  - eertami 14y ago
    > you should be looking at the iPhone 5 vs the Samsung Galaxy S3. But the S3 is so far ahead of the iPhone that it also is not a fair comparison.
    - Steko 14y ago
      What's this rubbish? iPhone 5: thinner, lighter, higher quality construction, better battery life, better cpu, better gpu, superior display quality (full sRGB, IPS, higher ppi), better ecosystem, better apps, will be regularly updated for years, better customer service, etc. GS 3: bigger screen diagonal, more RAM, NFC, better front camera Go back to Engadget kid.
      - w1ntermute 14y ago
        You pop up in so many threads to defend Apple that I recognize your username by now. Do you work for Apple's PR department or something? If so, I sure hope they're paying you overtime for being here on a Friday night. Well, here we go... > thinner Yeah, by 1.2 mm. If you're wearing skinny hipster jeans like your average Apple fanboi, it makes a difference, but for the rest of us, that's insignificant. > lighter Again, 21 g. Not a big deal. > higher quality construction Right, that's why so many people are reporting chips and scratches on the aluminum back the day that they get the phone. It looks like Apple didn't learn anything from the glass back disaster with the iPhone 4/4S. > better battery life Both phones can easily last a full day of intense usage. The iPhone's slightly longer battery life is a result of its puny screen. And don't forget that the Galaxy S3's battery is user-removable and replaceable. You can carry an additional battery with you and swap it in as needed, or you can get an extended battery - for just $30 on Amazon, you can get an extended battery with 4200 mAh, double the standard 2100 mAh battery and nearly three times the iPhone 5's 1440 mAh battery. > better cpu Uhh, no. Just no. The iPhone 5 has a 1.3 GHz dual-core processor, whereas the Galaxy S3 has a 1.4 GHz quad-core processor. Next time, please try to extricate yourself from the reality distortion field before making statements related to Apple or its products. > superior display quality Ignoring the fact that display quality is inherently subjective, that the iPhone has a better display is far from a foregone conclusion: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57524291-37/color-me-prettier-galaxy-s3-display-outdoes-iphone-5s/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57524291-37/color-me-prett... > better ecosystem, better apps Are you kidding me? Let me know when there are functional Gmail, Google Talk, and Google Voice apps for the iPhone, and when I can use the default mapping software (which can't be replaced) without ending up in the middle of a river. And let's not even get started on the inability to install 3rd party browsers on the iPhone or use apps like Locale and Tasker without jailbreaking. > will be regularly updated for years I'd rather not have updates than have them break core functionality, like mapping. > better customer service This is probably the only thing Apple does better. That said, I've never actually needed customer service on my Android phones, unlike my friends with iPhones, who've taken their phones in to have the broken glass backs replaced with alarming frequency. Go back to Daring Fireball kid.
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- mardix 14y ago
  You also have to see in USA, people will get the phone at subsidized amount. Like most phone on a two year plan cost between $99 to $199. Macbook maybe luxury in the computer world, but iPhone, not really
  - hiddenstage 14y ago
    So isn't that telling then that Android is outpacing the iPhone in sales?
    - sbuk 14y ago
      Not when the market is flooded with cheap commodity handsets, no.
- taligent 14y ago
  Of course just comparing on price ignores some big differences. Nexus 4 has no LTE. Nexus 7 has terrible build quality. Nexus 10 has nearly half the battery life.
  - Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
    You're the first person I've ever heard say that the Nexus 7 has terrible build quality and the AnandTech figures show that the 10 has around 90% of the iPad battery life rather than "nearly half".
    - taligent 14y ago
      Maybe you should Google it because it is pretty common knowledge that Nexus 7 is very hit/miss in terms of build quality. And I stupidly compared battery life against iPad Mini. So it is not half and not 90%. It's about 65% of the iPad according to Engadget. Nexus 10: 7.26 hours, iPad 4: 11.08 hours
      - bryanlarsen 14y ago
        You're really good at cherry picking, aren't you? Anandtech for the performance numbers, Engadget for battery life numbers. By Anandtech's numbers, the Nexus 10 gets 93% of the battery life of the iPad, even though the Nexus 10 uses a much smaller battery. Between the lighter battery and the grippy back, Google designed a device that can be safely held in one hand, a tradeoff I appreciate.
        drivebyacct2 14y ago
        You're wasting your breath. There's three or four them that do this in every, single, last Android thread.
        Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
        To be fair they have their equivalents in the Apple threads.
- scottm01 14y ago
  The iPhone 5 is $649 unsubsidized, not $699. Other features aside (some of which it lacks compared to Nexus), it does have an LTE radio and works on, say, Verizon. Source: Someone who just paid full boat for a 5 after my Droid Charge was destroyed. At least I still have my unlimited data and subsidy coming up next year.
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pook1e 14y ago

In the past, I'd agree with you. However, comparing Google's latest lineup with Apple's latest lineup tells a much different story (all 16GB): Nexus 4: $349; iPhone 5: $699 Nexus 7: $199; iPad Mini: $329 Nexus 10: $399; iPad: $499 Of course, Apple and Google aren't in the same business, but they are very much competitors.

w1ntermute 14y ago
> Apple and Google aren't in the same business And this makes a world of difference. Google is selling products at cost to drive their ad business. There's no way you can compare that to Apple's business model. The idea that Apple sells expensive products is a belief born out of the PC market, and if you want to compare apples to apples, you should be looking at the iPhone 5 vs the Samsung Galaxy S3.
- eertami 14y ago
  > you should be looking at the iPhone 5 vs the Samsung Galaxy S3. But the S3 is so far ahead of the iPhone that it also is not a fair comparison.
  - Steko 14y ago
    What's this rubbish? iPhone 5: thinner, lighter, higher quality construction, better battery life, better cpu, better gpu, superior display quality (full sRGB, IPS, higher ppi), better ecosystem, better apps, will be regularly updated for years, better customer service, etc. GS 3: bigger screen diagonal, more RAM, NFC, better front camera Go back to Engadget kid.
    - w1ntermute 14y ago
      You pop up in so many threads to defend Apple that I recognize your username by now. Do you work for Apple's PR department or something? If so, I sure hope they're paying you overtime for being here on a Friday night. Well, here we go... > thinner Yeah, by 1.2 mm. If you're wearing skinny hipster jeans like your average Apple fanboi, it makes a difference, but for the rest of us, that's insignificant. > lighter Again, 21 g. Not a big deal. > higher quality construction Right, that's why so many people are reporting chips and scratches on the aluminum back the day that they get the phone. It looks like Apple didn't learn anything from the glass back disaster with the iPhone 4/4S. > better battery life Both phones can easily last a full day of intense usage. The iPhone's slightly longer battery life is a result of its puny screen. And don't forget that the Galaxy S3's battery is user-removable and replaceable. You can carry an additional battery with you and swap it in as needed, or you can get an extended battery - for just $30 on Amazon, you can get an extended battery with 4200 mAh, double the standard 2100 mAh battery and nearly three times the iPhone 5's 1440 mAh battery. > better cpu Uhh, no. Just no. The iPhone 5 has a 1.3 GHz dual-core processor, whereas the Galaxy S3 has a 1.4 GHz quad-core processor. Next time, please try to extricate yourself from the reality distortion field before making statements related to Apple or its products. > superior display quality Ignoring the fact that display quality is inherently subjective, that the iPhone has a better display is far from a foregone conclusion: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57524291-37/color-me-prettier-galaxy-s3-display-outdoes-iphone-5s/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57524291-37/color-me-prett... > better ecosystem, better apps Are you kidding me? Let me know when there are functional Gmail, Google Talk, and Google Voice apps for the iPhone, and when I can use the default mapping software (which can't be replaced) without ending up in the middle of a river. And let's not even get started on the inability to install 3rd party browsers on the iPhone or use apps like Locale and Tasker without jailbreaking. > will be regularly updated for years I'd rather not have updates than have them break core functionality, like mapping. > better customer service This is probably the only thing Apple does better. That said, I've never actually needed customer service on my Android phones, unlike my friends with iPhones, who've taken their phones in to have the broken glass backs replaced with alarming frequency. Go back to Daring Fireball kid.
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mardix 14y ago
You also have to see in USA, people will get the phone at subsidized amount. Like most phone on a two year plan cost between $99 to $199. Macbook maybe luxury in the computer world, but iPhone, not really
- hiddenstage 14y ago
  So isn't that telling then that Android is outpacing the iPhone in sales?
  - sbuk 14y ago
    Not when the market is flooded with cheap commodity handsets, no.
taligent 14y ago
Of course just comparing on price ignores some big differences. Nexus 4 has no LTE. Nexus 7 has terrible build quality. Nexus 10 has nearly half the battery life.
- Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
  You're the first person I've ever heard say that the Nexus 7 has terrible build quality and the AnandTech figures show that the 10 has around 90% of the iPad battery life rather than "nearly half".
  - taligent 14y ago
    Maybe you should Google it because it is pretty common knowledge that Nexus 7 is very hit/miss in terms of build quality. And I stupidly compared battery life against iPad Mini. So it is not half and not 90%. It's about 65% of the iPad according to Engadget. Nexus 10: 7.26 hours, iPad 4: 11.08 hours
    - bryanlarsen 14y ago
      You're really good at cherry picking, aren't you? Anandtech for the performance numbers, Engadget for battery life numbers. By Anandtech's numbers, the Nexus 10 gets 93% of the battery life of the iPad, even though the Nexus 10 uses a much smaller battery. Between the lighter battery and the grippy back, Google designed a device that can be safely held in one hand, a tradeoff I appreciate.
      - drivebyacct2 14y ago
        You're wasting your breath. There's three or four them that do this in every, single, last Android thread.
        Tyrannosaurs 14y ago
        To be fair they have their equivalents in the Apple threads.
scottm01 14y ago
The iPhone 5 is $649 unsubsidized, not $699. Other features aside (some of which it lacks compared to Nexus), it does have an LTE radio and works on, say, Verizon. Source: Someone who just paid full boat for a 5 after my Droid Charge was destroyed. At least I still have my unlimited data and subsidy coming up next year.

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