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Nothing impressive with this. I know of a few companies that sold crappy devices with crappy OS's. RIM, Nokia, etc. and they dominated the market. Android has

Nothing impressive with this. I know of a few companies that sold crappy devices with crappy OS's. RIM, Nokia, etc. and they dominated the market. Android has become the new Nokia. Big Market Share. Worthless user-base.

drivebyacct2 14y ago
Yep, 75% of the market loves to buy crappy devices with crappy OSs. The fact that high end Android devices are popular and sell well (SGSIII? Samsung's profits being damn impressive next to Apple's?) is just a weird inconvenient fact.
- sinnerswing 14y ago
  75% of the market also like Britney Spears. people are idiots.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    If we accept the framework that all people are idiots, which I certainly often find myself thinking, then it's probably great to be Android in that world. You know? Whether or not people are dumb (which is obviously a gross exaggeration of people's perception of Android... but let's be serious, you know that) does not change the numbers.
    - sinnerswing 14y ago
      I'll take 25% of the smart, willing-to-pay-and-buy userbase, than 75% of the dumb, not-willing-to-pay-for-anything android users.
      - drivebyacct2 14y ago
        Why are you being so stubborn? Just, why? What do you stand to gain from this?
        jlgreco 14y ago
        He is invested in the issue, if not with time and money, then with emotion. People can become very stubborn and blind when they are invested in an issue, probably because they are adverse to risk and some variation buyers remorse.
        sinnerswing 14y ago
        Google is the false messiah. They don't care about innovation or creating great products. They don't care about user experience. they don't care about you. All Google cares about is serving you crappy ads.
        drivebyacct2 14y ago
        And all Apple wants to do is make a profit, wavy hands oh how terrible! I don't know how you define innovative if you don't consider the amazing intelligence behind Google Now innovative, or don't find the new 4.2 features innovative, or at least innovative in a smartdevice OS. I hate to tell you because it seems you are vitriolic about the point, but it's always been about ads, they're a business. But obviously the experience has to be compelling enough to get you to buy into it .... so OF COURSE they're competing on experience. And anyone who's used an Android phone recently in good faith knows that. What's this nonsense about them "not caring" anyway. Do you REALLY think that Irving "cares" more about the design of iOS than Duarte cares about Android? And does it really make a difference, especially given that Android has managed to avoid the 2005 era plastic skeumorphism and created something awesome in its own right with Holo? Again, this isn't 2009 anymore.
- rimantas 14y ago
  Can you make your mind what you are talking about? Unless 75% of the market is taken by those high-end devices (which are two models really: SGSIII and Nexus). If you want inconvenient facts: many of those Android phones are really just dumb phones (or used as such) with Android. Some with very old versions of Android.
  - blinkingled 14y ago
    Why should they be high end devices? Do you define what devices people should use, what qualifies as high end and how people should use them? Sorry, but I just don't get the argument - if people want a smart phone, any Android phone is a smart phone. If they didn't they would be still buying Nokia true dumb phones. If people want a lower cost smartphone - like those in 3rd world - why would you have a problem with that? Also why aren't people buying cheap RIM phones or cheap Windows Phones if cheap is all they are into? Older versions? Why would that have anything to do with SmartPhone sales numbers? It is just asinine to look at this from a negative or Apple Salesman attitude. Fact is simple - people are continuing to buy Androids for many reasons - choice, preference, cost whatever. If Android is enabling the poorer sect of the world to get connected/enabled/smart at a cost they can afford - that's a good thing.
- clarky07 14y ago
  no, but 40-50% are buying crappy devices with crappy OSs. The high end devices running 4+ are not 75% of the market. they are <30% of the market. only 28.5% of android is on 4+ [1] [1] http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
- sbuk 14y ago
  "Yep, 75% of the market loves to buy crappy devices with crappy OSs" No, 70% of the market doesn't care and merely what the blingest device for the lowest cost with the highest amount of minutes and texts, data is barely an afterthought. Samsung offering sales commissions doesn't hurt either, or is that 'just a weird inconvenient fact'?
eta_carinae 14y ago
> Big Market Share. Worthless user-base. You sound exactly like these people standing in line for iPhones in the Samsung commercial.
- sinnerswing 14y ago
  you're right. I will never buy copycat devices from Samsung.
- Retric 14y ago
  If you look at sales the ratio of Android devices in poor countries is significantly higher than the US. But, for the vast majority of US developers it's pointless to count those people. If you look at actual US sales, both iOS and Android are on the rise mostly by eating BlackBerry's lunch. Android is still almost 2x the size of iOS but again there far more popular on the cheap handset market and are harder to target due to the fragmented market. http://www.asymco.com/2012/03/07/the-unrelenting-trends-in-the-us-smartphone-market/ http://www.asymco.com/2012/03/07/the-unrelenting-trends-in-t...
  - MaysonL 14y ago
    And of course, looking toward the market saturation point, every survey I've seen shows that the Android-> iOS switch rate is significantly higher than the iOS -> Android switch rate. If that changes, Apple should watch out. Another interesting statistic, from Opera, was their report that iPad produced more ad revenue than all of Android.
    - myko 14y ago
      Maybe because a far superior mobile browser, Chrome, is available on Android devices?
      - Retric 14y ago
        I use Chrome on my iPad.
RivieraKid 14y ago
I agree that most of Android phones are crappy. Mostly because of Android customizations, old versions of Android and boring-looking hardware. But Nexus 4 is on par with iPhone 5 (while being 2 times cheaper).
- shinratdr 14y ago
  > But Nexus 4 is on par with iPhone 5 (while being 2 times cheaper). Assuming you consider no LTE and a plastic body to be "on par".
  - RivieraKid 14y ago
    I meant on par in overall user experience, not that they are equivalent in every feature. iPhone has shitty maps, no NFC, worse CPU/GPU (I think), no expandable notifications, etc.
    - taligent 14y ago
      iPhone has much, much better CPU/GPU than Nexus 4. Nearly twice as fast in most cases. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-an...
      - RivieraKid 14y ago
        It's about twice better in OpenGL tests but I would be very surprised if it had faster CPU. N4 has quad-core CPU with higher frequency.
    - shinratdr 14y ago
      I don't know how two devices, one of which can connect to a data network 5-10x faster than the other, can be considered "on par in overall user experience". And as Taligent noted, as always the PowerVR GPU in the iPhone absolutely without question smokes every crappy Mali GPU in every Android phone ever.
jusben1369 14y ago
Why are you being so defensive and dismissive to the point of making a number of really inaccurate generalizations?

drivebyacct2 14y ago

Yep, 75% of the market loves to buy crappy devices with crappy OSs. The fact that high end Android devices are popular and sell well (SGSIII? Samsung's profits being damn impressive next to Apple's?) is just a weird inconvenient fact.

sinnerswing 14y ago
75% of the market also like Britney Spears. people are idiots.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  If we accept the framework that all people are idiots, which I certainly often find myself thinking, then it's probably great to be Android in that world. You know? Whether or not people are dumb (which is obviously a gross exaggeration of people's perception of Android... but let's be serious, you know that) does not change the numbers.
  - sinnerswing 14y ago
    I'll take 25% of the smart, willing-to-pay-and-buy userbase, than 75% of the dumb, not-willing-to-pay-for-anything android users.
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      Why are you being so stubborn? Just, why? What do you stand to gain from this?
      - jlgreco 14y ago
        He is invested in the issue, if not with time and money, then with emotion. People can become very stubborn and blind when they are invested in an issue, probably because they are adverse to risk and some variation buyers remorse.
      - sinnerswing 14y ago
        Google is the false messiah. They don't care about innovation or creating great products. They don't care about user experience. they don't care about you. All Google cares about is serving you crappy ads.
        drivebyacct2 14y ago
        And all Apple wants to do is make a profit, wavy hands oh how terrible! I don't know how you define innovative if you don't consider the amazing intelligence behind Google Now innovative, or don't find the new 4.2 features innovative, or at least innovative in a smartdevice OS. I hate to tell you because it seems you are vitriolic about the point, but it's always been about ads, they're a business. But obviously the experience has to be compelling enough to get you to buy into it .... so OF COURSE they're competing on experience. And anyone who's used an Android phone recently in good faith knows that. What's this nonsense about them "not caring" anyway. Do you REALLY think that Irving "cares" more about the design of iOS than Duarte cares about Android? And does it really make a difference, especially given that Android has managed to avoid the 2005 era plastic skeumorphism and created something awesome in its own right with Holo? Again, this isn't 2009 anymore.
rimantas 14y ago
Can you make your mind what you are talking about? Unless 75% of the market is taken by those high-end devices (which are two models really: SGSIII and Nexus). If you want inconvenient facts: many of those Android phones are really just dumb phones (or used as such) with Android. Some with very old versions of Android.
- blinkingled 14y ago
  Why should they be high end devices? Do you define what devices people should use, what qualifies as high end and how people should use them? Sorry, but I just don't get the argument - if people want a smart phone, any Android phone is a smart phone. If they didn't they would be still buying Nokia true dumb phones. If people want a lower cost smartphone - like those in 3rd world - why would you have a problem with that? Also why aren't people buying cheap RIM phones or cheap Windows Phones if cheap is all they are into? Older versions? Why would that have anything to do with SmartPhone sales numbers? It is just asinine to look at this from a negative or Apple Salesman attitude. Fact is simple - people are continuing to buy Androids for many reasons - choice, preference, cost whatever. If Android is enabling the poorer sect of the world to get connected/enabled/smart at a cost they can afford - that's a good thing.
clarky07 14y ago
no, but 40-50% are buying crappy devices with crappy OSs. The high end devices running 4+ are not 75% of the market. they are <30% of the market. only 28.5% of android is on 4+ [1] [1] http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
sbuk 14y ago
"Yep, 75% of the market loves to buy crappy devices with crappy OSs" No, 70% of the market doesn't care and merely what the blingest device for the lowest cost with the highest amount of minutes and texts, data is barely an afterthought. Samsung offering sales commissions doesn't hurt either, or is that 'just a weird inconvenient fact'?

eta_carinae 14y ago

> Big Market Share. Worthless user-base. You sound exactly like these people standing in line for iPhones in the Samsung commercial.

sinnerswing 14y ago
you're right. I will never buy copycat devices from Samsung.
Retric 14y ago
If you look at sales the ratio of Android devices in poor countries is significantly higher than the US. But, for the vast majority of US developers it's pointless to count those people. If you look at actual US sales, both iOS and Android are on the rise mostly by eating BlackBerry's lunch. Android is still almost 2x the size of iOS but again there far more popular on the cheap handset market and are harder to target due to the fragmented market. http://www.asymco.com/2012/03/07/the-unrelenting-trends-in-the-us-smartphone-market/ http://www.asymco.com/2012/03/07/the-unrelenting-trends-in-t...
- MaysonL 14y ago
  And of course, looking toward the market saturation point, every survey I've seen shows that the Android-> iOS switch rate is significantly higher than the iOS -> Android switch rate. If that changes, Apple should watch out. Another interesting statistic, from Opera, was their report that iPad produced more ad revenue than all of Android.
  - myko 14y ago
    Maybe because a far superior mobile browser, Chrome, is available on Android devices?
    - Retric 14y ago
      I use Chrome on my iPad.

RivieraKid 14y ago

I agree that most of Android phones are crappy. Mostly because of Android customizations, old versions of Android and boring-looking hardware. But Nexus 4 is on par with iPhone 5 (while being 2 times cheaper).

shinratdr 14y ago
> But Nexus 4 is on par with iPhone 5 (while being 2 times cheaper). Assuming you consider no LTE and a plastic body to be "on par".
- RivieraKid 14y ago
  I meant on par in overall user experience, not that they are equivalent in every feature. iPhone has shitty maps, no NFC, worse CPU/GPU (I think), no expandable notifications, etc.
  - taligent 14y ago
    iPhone has much, much better CPU/GPU than Nexus 4. Nearly twice as fast in most cases. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-analyzed-powervr-sgx-554mp4-under-the-hood http://www.anandtech.com/show/6426/ipad-4-gpu-performance-an...
    - RivieraKid 14y ago
      It's about twice better in OpenGL tests but I would be very surprised if it had faster CPU. N4 has quad-core CPU with higher frequency.
  - shinratdr 14y ago
    I don't know how two devices, one of which can connect to a data network 5-10x faster than the other, can be considered "on par in overall user experience". And as Taligent noted, as always the PowerVR GPU in the iPhone absolutely without question smokes every crappy Mali GPU in every Android phone ever.

jusben1369 14y ago

Why are you being so defensive and dismissive to the point of making a number of really inaccurate generalizations?