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AI slop > The uncomfortable truth is that... > ...that the real question isn't... > Corporate resistance...introduces friction at the infrastructure layer A

AI slop > The uncomfortable truth is that... > ...that the real question isn't... > Corporate resistance...introduces friction at the infrastructure layer And check comment history (https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=julius_eth_dev https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=julius_eth_dev) Sometime yesterday, or further back, someone has decided to run a bot experiment (https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=patchnull https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=patchnull, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079)

dyauspitr 8mo ago
I mean almost certainly but what do the sentences you’ve highlighted have to do with that.
- armchairhacker 8mo ago
  They're AI tells. No human would write about how "corporate friction" "introduces friction at the infrastructure layer", except maybe someone who's trying to use big words to sound smart, because it barely makes sense (what "friction"? "Infrastructure layer", what are the other layers?)
  - awesome_dude 8mo ago
    AI didn't invent the terms, they were a part of the training data given to it. The real tell is that you've not been in the group of people that use these terms frequently enough for you to think they're normal. It's like the emdash alarmism, AI never invented emdash, nor did it invent using it frequently. Its training was full of examples, so many that AI picked up using it frequently.
    - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
      > like the emdash alarmism, AI never invented emdash, nor did it invent using it frequently. Its training was full of examples, so many that AI picked up using it frequently Look at my comment history. I emdash. But I adapted by removing the spaces around them—AI hasn’t similarly adapted. Most comments on HN with emdashes aren’t slop. But if it starts getting into Wernicke word-salad territory and there are emdashes? With spaces? At that point, it’s fair to flag.
      - awesome_dude 8mo ago
        LOL I'm laughing not at you but the ludicrousness of the times - I use endash heavily, have done for a minute, but now I see endash used by LLMs with no surrounding spaces. I think that the "identify AI by some artefact" is just another game of whack-a-mole, and the better approach is to look at the quality of what's being presented. I have argued before, and still feel strongly, that LLM/AI generated images/audio/text is causing a stronger inspection of what's being presented as fact, which is a healthy thing (how far that will go is yet to be determined, as per when the availability of Photoshop generated content exploded)
        JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
        > now I see endash used by LLMs with no surrounding spaces Goddamit. (Flippity floppity floop.) > LLM/AI generated images/audio/text is causing a stronger inspection of what's being presented as fact, which is a healthy thing If it is, I agree. What I think is actually happening is folks are skimming and then concluding on vibes. Unfortunately, that means “I don’t agree” gets lumped in with “this is slop.”
  - dyauspitr 8mo ago
    No, all those terms actually make sense and are used. I guess it’s just that people wouldn’t always use it in a casual comment.
- jamilton 8mo ago
  They're all pretty common AI-isms.
TacticalCoder 8mo ago
dang should just give power to users with 10 000+ karma and 10+ years on HN to nuke from orbit "green" accounts that do feel like they're posting AI slop. No due process, no recourse: just give users with lots of reputation and old accounts the ability to eliminate new accounts. I don't say this because I crave for "power": I only have 9400 karma. I say this because I'm tired of people creating new accounts to destroy our community.
- lovich 8mo ago
  I also fall short of your criteria and agree. Having one red flag is something I wouldn’t nuke on, but new account + em dash + other ai style talking points is just too much. I feel like we’re eventually going to end up with shibboleths or something like the thieves cant that updates everytime a new model launches just to distinguish the humans.
Lukas_Skywalker 8mo ago
I think we can flag those comments now that the new guidelines are published: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079

dyauspitr 8mo ago

I mean almost certainly but what do the sentences you’ve highlighted have to do with that.

armchairhacker 8mo ago
They're AI tells. No human would write about how "corporate friction" "introduces friction at the infrastructure layer", except maybe someone who's trying to use big words to sound smart, because it barely makes sense (what "friction"? "Infrastructure layer", what are the other layers?)
- awesome_dude 8mo ago
  AI didn't invent the terms, they were a part of the training data given to it. The real tell is that you've not been in the group of people that use these terms frequently enough for you to think they're normal. It's like the emdash alarmism, AI never invented emdash, nor did it invent using it frequently. Its training was full of examples, so many that AI picked up using it frequently.
  - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
    > like the emdash alarmism, AI never invented emdash, nor did it invent using it frequently. Its training was full of examples, so many that AI picked up using it frequently Look at my comment history. I emdash. But I adapted by removing the spaces around them—AI hasn’t similarly adapted. Most comments on HN with emdashes aren’t slop. But if it starts getting into Wernicke word-salad territory and there are emdashes? With spaces? At that point, it’s fair to flag.
    - awesome_dude 8mo ago
      LOL I'm laughing not at you but the ludicrousness of the times - I use endash heavily, have done for a minute, but now I see endash used by LLMs with no surrounding spaces. I think that the "identify AI by some artefact" is just another game of whack-a-mole, and the better approach is to look at the quality of what's being presented. I have argued before, and still feel strongly, that LLM/AI generated images/audio/text is causing a stronger inspection of what's being presented as fact, which is a healthy thing (how far that will go is yet to be determined, as per when the availability of Photoshop generated content exploded)
      - JumpCrisscross 8mo ago
        > now I see endash used by LLMs with no surrounding spaces Goddamit. (Flippity floppity floop.) > LLM/AI generated images/audio/text is causing a stronger inspection of what's being presented as fact, which is a healthy thing If it is, I agree. What I think is actually happening is folks are skimming and then concluding on vibes. Unfortunately, that means “I don’t agree” gets lumped in with “this is slop.”
- dyauspitr 8mo ago
  No, all those terms actually make sense and are used. I guess it’s just that people wouldn’t always use it in a casual comment.
jamilton 8mo ago
They're all pretty common AI-isms.

TacticalCoder 8mo ago

dang should just give power to users with 10 000+ karma and 10+ years on HN to nuke from orbit "green" accounts that do feel like they're posting AI slop. No due process, no recourse: just give users with lots of reputation and old accounts the ability to eliminate new accounts. I don't say this because I crave for "power": I only have 9400 karma. I say this because I'm tired of people creating new accounts to destroy our community.

lovich 8mo ago
I also fall short of your criteria and agree. Having one red flag is something I wouldn’t nuke on, but new account + em dash + other ai style talking points is just too much. I feel like we’re eventually going to end up with shibboleths or something like the thieves cant that updates everytime a new model launches just to distinguish the humans.

Lukas_Skywalker 8mo ago

I think we can flag those comments now that the new guidelines are published: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079