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Can anyone give me some advantages of dotcloud over Heroku? Having trouble specifics from just the homepage. Thanks!

by matt2000 14y ago

kmfrk 14y ago
I find their availability to be incredibly irregular, but the ease of setting up a project on their platform can't be beat. Well short of a one-click installation, of course. :) A novice could probably set up a GitHub project on dotCloud, whereas there is no chance in hell said person could do it on Heroku, last I checked their guide. Their support team is also pretty great. Of course, the ideal scenario is never having to deal with support. ;)
- ollysb 14y ago
  Really?! I've used heroku and dotcloud for a while, I'd say that heroku wins on ease of setup. Dotcloud on the other hand allows you far greater flexibility in your setup. I'm aware that heroku's usability has decreased a smidge since they moved to the cedar stack but I'm curious to know what you would find difficult about getting set up on heroku?
  - kmfrk 14y ago
    I just haven't found Heroku to compare favourably to dotCloud's deployment: 1. Sign up, install CLI, enter username/password 2. git clone foo 3. cd foo 4. dotcloud create bar 5. dotcloud push -A bar --git And from a developer perspective we're just talking about setting up the DB, wsgi, postinstall, and dotcloud.yml. I didn't manage to find something in Heroku's guide that made it sound as easy for setting up Django on their PaaS. If I did, I'd probably have some services set up on Heroku at the moment. Maybe someone else just needs to write a better guide for them.
    - ollysb 14y ago
      Hmm, I started using heroku a long time ago so I'm not sure what their on ramp is like now. Their docs have definitely become more complicated than they used to be though. Looking at your dotcloud steps though, heroku would be. 1. Sign up, install CLI, enter username/password 2. git clone foo 3. cd foo 4. heroku create bar 5. git push heroku master So basically the same. Worth noting that this sets up a database for you as well, your project is configured to use it when you push. From memory you have to set up the DB yourself with dotcloud, it's been a while though.
      - kmfrk 14y ago
        Cool. I'll give Heroku's guides another look this weekend. Thanks for the write-up.
shykes 14y ago
The biggest difference is that we're designed for service-driven applications. We make it super easy to architect your application as a collection of loosely coupled services - which makes it more maintainable and future-proof.
brutuscat 14y ago
For instance dotcloud supports Websockets :D
- shykes 14y ago
  Also: * vertical scaling (you can allocate arbitrary amounts of memory and cpu to your containers) * You can allocate raw TCP and UDP ports
  - brutuscat 14y ago
    From the docs I could see how to allocate memory, but how can do the "same" with cpu?
    - shykes 14y ago
      All resources are pegged to ram - the more ram you allocate, the more of everything else you get as well.

Can anyone give me some advantages of dotcloud over Heroku? Having trouble specifics from just the homepage. Thanks!

kmfrk 14y ago

I find their availability to be incredibly irregular, but the ease of setting up a project on their platform can't be beat. Well short of a one-click installation, of course. :) A novice could probably set up a GitHub project on dotCloud, whereas there is no chance in hell said person could do it on Heroku, last I checked their guide. Their support team is also pretty great. Of course, the ideal scenario is never having to deal with support. ;)

ollysb 14y ago
Really?! I've used heroku and dotcloud for a while, I'd say that heroku wins on ease of setup. Dotcloud on the other hand allows you far greater flexibility in your setup. I'm aware that heroku's usability has decreased a smidge since they moved to the cedar stack but I'm curious to know what you would find difficult about getting set up on heroku?
- kmfrk 14y ago
  I just haven't found Heroku to compare favourably to dotCloud's deployment: 1. Sign up, install CLI, enter username/password 2. git clone foo 3. cd foo 4. dotcloud create bar 5. dotcloud push -A bar --git And from a developer perspective we're just talking about setting up the DB, wsgi, postinstall, and dotcloud.yml. I didn't manage to find something in Heroku's guide that made it sound as easy for setting up Django on their PaaS. If I did, I'd probably have some services set up on Heroku at the moment. Maybe someone else just needs to write a better guide for them.
  - ollysb 14y ago
    Hmm, I started using heroku a long time ago so I'm not sure what their on ramp is like now. Their docs have definitely become more complicated than they used to be though. Looking at your dotcloud steps though, heroku would be. 1. Sign up, install CLI, enter username/password 2. git clone foo 3. cd foo 4. heroku create bar 5. git push heroku master So basically the same. Worth noting that this sets up a database for you as well, your project is configured to use it when you push. From memory you have to set up the DB yourself with dotcloud, it's been a while though.
    - kmfrk 14y ago
      Cool. I'll give Heroku's guides another look this weekend. Thanks for the write-up.

shykes 14y ago

The biggest difference is that we're designed for service-driven applications. We make it super easy to architect your application as a collection of loosely coupled services - which makes it more maintainable and future-proof.

brutuscat 14y ago

For instance dotcloud supports Websockets :D

shykes 14y ago
Also: * vertical scaling (you can allocate arbitrary amounts of memory and cpu to your containers) * You can allocate raw TCP and UDP ports
- brutuscat 14y ago
  From the docs I could see how to allocate memory, but how can do the "same" with cpu?
  - shykes 14y ago
    All resources are pegged to ram - the more ram you allocate, the more of everything else you get as well.