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Agreed, macOS has hardly improved in the past decade. The only improvements are about ecosystem integration, which I don't really care about. Everything else is

by mmcnl 7mo ago

Agreed, macOS has hardly improved in the past decade. The only improvements are about ecosystem integration, which I don't really care about. Everything else is stuck in the 2010s. UI has regressed if you ask me.

jeremycarter 7mo ago
The tab key doesn't even work consistently across apps and screens.
madeofpalk 7mo ago
What improvements has Windows made in the last decade? I think what you're describing is a symptom of modern software development as a whole.
- Aperocky 7mo ago
  You get AI EMBEDDED EXPLORER! Just wait 2 seconds for LLM to open up your folder. Oh and don't forget to watch the ads.
  - elboru 7mo ago
    Or their constant use of dark patterns to push you into using Bing and Edge. I was actually an Edge user myself. I liked a few of its built-in features, and it felt pretty fast. But then they started tricking me into changing my default search engine to Bing. I fell for it a couple of times, and then I quit.
- 369548684892826 7mo ago
  I wouldn't say as a whole. KDE is way ahead of where it was 10 years ago!
  - sxg 7mo ago
    KDE was far less mature than macOS and Windows 10 years ago. Of course it’s come a long way.
- etbebl 7mo ago
  Windows Terminal and PowerToys are pretty nice. The Phone Link app is convenient, and screenshots are way better (no need to paste into Paint anymore, just use snip and sketch)
  - pbmonster 7mo ago
    The snipping tool (with all features I'm using today) was added to PowerToys more than 20 years ago. It was integrated directly into Windows 10 pretty early in the update cycle. Not sure it qualifies for "the last decade".
rekabis 7mo ago
Ecosystem integration is the shining difference between Apple and others, as it is radically better than any other available implementation. I would argue that ecosystem integration is the only primary consideration that you need to use at the top/first-culling-step of the flowchart to either include or discount Apple products in any purchasing decision. Anything else is secondary, and has workarounds. > UI has regressed Honestly, I love the UI of MacOS 9.2.2 the most. But I don’t have a Time Machine or Elon Musk levels of wealth to chart a different course. And sure, some UI decisions of late have been questionable. That is always the case with non-niche products that don’t have highly focused and largely conforming users. Apple moved out of that category back in the early 2000s, and it is forced to make the same UI tradeoffs that Microsoft makes. I actually don’t mind the modern UI, and aside from a few warts I think they’re going in a very user-friendly direction even if power users feel slighted and abandoned.
calf 7mo ago
It has even regressed, I'm still on my High Sierra 2011 MacBook Air, but on my mom's M3 Air I can't help but observe that they did all that engineering to reduce the black bezel around the lid, only for Tahoe to have overly rounded windows and huge title bars.
hbbio 7mo ago
I wouldn't say it hasn't improved. Security has improved considerably, and it's one of the main reasons to use a Mac. However, there's too many bundled apps. Just wrote about this last week: https://medium.com/@hbbio/let-me-uninstall-spotlight-1fe64a3466ab https://medium.com/@hbbio/let-me-uninstall-spotlight-1fe64a3...
chongli 7mo ago
No, macOS has improved a ton in a lot of ways under-the-hood. Battery life, memory compression, paging behaviour. The MacBook Neo wouldn't be possible at 8GB without all this stuff.
littlecranky67 7mo ago
> Agreed, macOS has hardly improved in the past decade I would argue the opposite. Shared clipboard with my iPhone is a killer feature (i copy a lot of OTP tokens) and I envy you in the US that can remote access the iPhone (it is currently blocked in the EU, but hopefully will come eventually). Also mulit-monitor setup has become way better (I used to use 3rd party tools to restore window and monitor positions).
- TheDong 7mo ago
  And I can share between my android, iOS, and linux devices with KDE Connect https://kdeconnect.kde.org/ https://kdeconnect.kde.org/ If there are reasons its not good enough, since it's open source you should be able to help fix them (excepting iOS issues, since those are mostly just apple locking down the OS too hard for various things to work). We're on hacker news, we should all want something we can hack on. Shared clipboard between two devices with proprietary OSs we can't hack on is a great feature for the masses, but not us.
  - littlecranky67 7mo ago
    Good for you, not see how that is relevant for the discussion what features were added to macOS though. Also note that clipcoard sharing just as Airdrop are point-to-point and neither require internet connection, nor is the data send through a third party or network. > since it's open source you should be able to help fix them And I can also grow my own tomatoes and cucumbers in my back yard, but I still prefer to buy them from a supermarket.

by mmcnl 7mo ago

jeremycarter 7mo ago

The tab key doesn't even work consistently across apps and screens.

madeofpalk 7mo ago

What improvements has Windows made in the last decade? I think what you're describing is a symptom of modern software development as a whole.

Aperocky 7mo ago
You get AI EMBEDDED EXPLORER! Just wait 2 seconds for LLM to open up your folder. Oh and don't forget to watch the ads.
- elboru 7mo ago
  Or their constant use of dark patterns to push you into using Bing and Edge. I was actually an Edge user myself. I liked a few of its built-in features, and it felt pretty fast. But then they started tricking me into changing my default search engine to Bing. I fell for it a couple of times, and then I quit.
369548684892826 7mo ago
I wouldn't say as a whole. KDE is way ahead of where it was 10 years ago!
- sxg 7mo ago
  KDE was far less mature than macOS and Windows 10 years ago. Of course it’s come a long way.
etbebl 7mo ago
Windows Terminal and PowerToys are pretty nice. The Phone Link app is convenient, and screenshots are way better (no need to paste into Paint anymore, just use snip and sketch)
- pbmonster 7mo ago
  The snipping tool (with all features I'm using today) was added to PowerToys more than 20 years ago. It was integrated directly into Windows 10 pretty early in the update cycle. Not sure it qualifies for "the last decade".

rekabis 7mo ago

Ecosystem integration is the shining difference between Apple and others, as it is radically better than any other available implementation. I would argue that ecosystem integration is the only primary consideration that you need to use at the top/first-culling-step of the flowchart to either include or discount Apple products in any purchasing decision. Anything else is secondary, and has workarounds. > UI has regressed Honestly, I love the UI of MacOS 9.2.2 the most. But I don’t have a Time Machine or Elon Musk levels of wealth to chart a different course. And sure, some UI decisions of late have been questionable. That is always the case with non-niche products that don’t have highly focused and largely conforming users. Apple moved out of that category back in the early 2000s, and it is forced to make the same UI tradeoffs that Microsoft makes. I actually don’t mind the modern UI, and aside from a few warts I think they’re going in a very user-friendly direction even if power users feel slighted and abandoned.

calf 7mo ago

It has even regressed, I'm still on my High Sierra 2011 MacBook Air, but on my mom's M3 Air I can't help but observe that they did all that engineering to reduce the black bezel around the lid, only for Tahoe to have overly rounded windows and huge title bars.

hbbio 7mo ago

I wouldn't say it hasn't improved. Security has improved considerably, and it's one of the main reasons to use a Mac. However, there's too many bundled apps. Just wrote about this last week: https://medium.com/@hbbio/let-me-uninstall-spotlight-1fe64a3466ab https://medium.com/@hbbio/let-me-uninstall-spotlight-1fe64a3...

chongli 7mo ago

No, macOS has improved a ton in a lot of ways under-the-hood. Battery life, memory compression, paging behaviour. The MacBook Neo wouldn't be possible at 8GB without all this stuff.

littlecranky67 7mo ago

> Agreed, macOS has hardly improved in the past decade I would argue the opposite. Shared clipboard with my iPhone is a killer feature (i copy a lot of OTP tokens) and I envy you in the US that can remote access the iPhone (it is currently blocked in the EU, but hopefully will come eventually). Also mulit-monitor setup has become way better (I used to use 3rd party tools to restore window and monitor positions).

TheDong 7mo ago
And I can share between my android, iOS, and linux devices with KDE Connect https://kdeconnect.kde.org/ https://kdeconnect.kde.org/ If there are reasons its not good enough, since it's open source you should be able to help fix them (excepting iOS issues, since those are mostly just apple locking down the OS too hard for various things to work). We're on hacker news, we should all want something we can hack on. Shared clipboard between two devices with proprietary OSs we can't hack on is a great feature for the masses, but not us.
- littlecranky67 7mo ago
  Good for you, not see how that is relevant for the discussion what features were added to macOS though. Also note that clipcoard sharing just as Airdrop are point-to-point and neither require internet connection, nor is the data send through a third party or network. > since it's open source you should be able to help fix them And I can also grow my own tomatoes and cucumbers in my back yard, but I still prefer to buy them from a supermarket.