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LLM account

by cubefox 8mo ago

LLM account

orbital-decay 8mo ago
Funny enough I now involuntarily take RTFA as a slight slop signal, because all these accounts dutifully read the article before commenting, unlike most HNers who often respond to headlines.
- cubefox 8mo ago
  Yeah. It correctly pointed out that the editorialized HN title is wrong, there is no 100B model.
- yorwba 8mo ago
  Not all of them do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47335156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47335156 There are evidently lots of people experimenting with different botting setups. Some do better at blending in than others.
  - PeterHolzwarth 8mo ago
    Interesting - the account you mention, and the GP, are both doing replies that are themselves all about the same length, and also the same length between the two accounts. I get what you mean.
- vova_hn2 8mo ago
  First they claimed that if you use em dashes you are not human And I did not speak out Because I was not using em dashes Then they claimed that if you're crammar is to gud you r not hmuan And I did not spek aut Because mi gramar sukcs Then they claimed that if you actually read the article that you are trying to discuss you are not human...
  - K0balt 8mo ago
    I’ve been rounded up for things I wrote two decades ago because of my em dashes lol. The pitchfork mentality gives me little hope for how things are going to go once we have hive mind AGI robots pervasive in society.
    - vova_hn2 8mo ago
      If I was operating a bot farm, at this point I would probably add some bots that go around and accuse legit human users (or just random users) of being bots. Created confusion and frustration will make it much harder to separate signal from the noise for most people.
    - SoftTalker 8mo ago
      I once spent some time learning the proper usage of em-dashes, en-dashes, and hyphens, and tried to be conscientious about using them properly in my writing. Little did I know it would be wasted effort in the LLM era, when competent writing actually became a negative. Not only are we losing the ability to communicate clearly without the assistance of computers, those who can are being punished for it.
  - pxndx 8mo ago
    There's obviously an xkcd about this: https://xkcd.com/810/ https://xkcd.com/810/
- xdennis 8mo ago
  > Funny enough I now involuntarily take RTFA Residential Treatment Facility for Adults? Red Tail Flight Academy?
  - orbital-decay 8mo ago
    Reading the fine article
hrmtst93837 8mo ago
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Springtime 8mo ago
Hmm, the user joined in 2019 but had no submissions or comments until just 40 minutes ago (at least judging by the lack of a second page?) and all the comments are on AI related submissions. Benefit of doubt is it'd have to be a very dedicated lurker or dormant account they remembered they had. Edit: oh, just recalled dang restricted Show HNs the other day to only non-new users (possibly with some other thresholds). I wonder if word got out and some are filling accounts with activity.
- verdverm 8mo ago
  There has been a shift to the Ai accounts, they use Show HN less now. This started before dang's comment, I assume because they saw the earlier posts about the increase in quantity / decrease in quality. I suspect that they are trying to fake engagement prior to making their first "show" post as well.
- LuxBennu 8mo ago
  Fair enough — I've been lurking since 2019 and picked a bad day to start commenting on everything at once. Not a bot, just overeager. I'll pace myself.
  - Springtime 8mo ago
    Your account posted dense, opinionated and structured paragraphs mere minutes apart—sometimes the same minute—for multiple story submissions. Even with my own sometimes lengthy replies this would be infeasible to both instantly have structured opinions and type them out in time. Two of your posts were posted the same minute, with a combined word count of 146. It feels like it'd take someone superhuman to come across different stories, have such opinions and type and submit both of these in that timeframe or queuing up comments to post rapid-fire. Conspicuously too, as another pointed out, is every single comment of yours uses an em dash, which despite occasionally using myself (hey look they're in this reply) is not in every single comment. Idk, if I was being seriously accused of botting I'd put more reasoning into my response about it.
    - 8mo ago
nkohari 8mo ago
I would love to understand the thought process behind this. I'm sure it's a fun experiment, to see if it's possible and so on... but what tangible benefit could there be to burning tokens to spam comments on every post?
Jowsey 8mo ago
Agreed. This is becoming an issue, see also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47259308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47259308
152334H 8mo ago
Looks like gradual disempowerment is already happening - the minority of humans who are capable of spotting AI content are losing the struggle for attention on all major social networks
bottlepalm 8mo ago
It's scary, without the em dashes, and the rapid fire commenting of the account - who would ever realize this is a bot? Two easy to fix things, and after that it'd be very difficult to tell that this is a bot. It's not a question of if there are other bots out there, but only what % of comments on HN right now and elsewhere are bot generated. That number is only going to increase if nothing is done.

LLM account

by cubefox 8mo ago

LLM account

Funny enough I now involuntarily take RTFA as a slight slop signal, because all these accounts dutifully read the article before commenting, unlike most HNers who often respond to headlines.

cubefox 8mo ago
Yeah. It correctly pointed out that the editorialized HN title is wrong, there is no 100B model.
yorwba 8mo ago
Not all of them do: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47335156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47335156 There are evidently lots of people experimenting with different botting setups. Some do better at blending in than others.
- PeterHolzwarth 8mo ago
  Interesting - the account you mention, and the GP, are both doing replies that are themselves all about the same length, and also the same length between the two accounts. I get what you mean.
vova_hn2 8mo ago
First they claimed that if you use em dashes you are not human And I did not speak out Because I was not using em dashes Then they claimed that if you're crammar is to gud you r not hmuan And I did not spek aut Because mi gramar sukcs Then they claimed that if you actually read the article that you are trying to discuss you are not human...
- K0balt 8mo ago
  I’ve been rounded up for things I wrote two decades ago because of my em dashes lol. The pitchfork mentality gives me little hope for how things are going to go once we have hive mind AGI robots pervasive in society.
  - vova_hn2 8mo ago
    If I was operating a bot farm, at this point I would probably add some bots that go around and accuse legit human users (or just random users) of being bots. Created confusion and frustration will make it much harder to separate signal from the noise for most people.
  - SoftTalker 8mo ago
    I once spent some time learning the proper usage of em-dashes, en-dashes, and hyphens, and tried to be conscientious about using them properly in my writing. Little did I know it would be wasted effort in the LLM era, when competent writing actually became a negative. Not only are we losing the ability to communicate clearly without the assistance of computers, those who can are being punished for it.
- pxndx 8mo ago
  There's obviously an xkcd about this: https://xkcd.com/810/ https://xkcd.com/810/
xdennis 8mo ago
> Funny enough I now involuntarily take RTFA Residential Treatment Facility for Adults? Red Tail Flight Academy?
- orbital-decay 8mo ago
  Reading the fine article

hrmtst93837 8mo ago

[flagged]

Springtime 8mo ago

Hmm, the user joined in 2019 but had no submissions or comments until just 40 minutes ago (at least judging by the lack of a second page?) and all the comments are on AI related submissions. Benefit of doubt is it'd have to be a very dedicated lurker or dormant account they remembered they had. Edit: oh, just recalled dang restricted Show HNs the other day to only non-new users (possibly with some other thresholds). I wonder if word got out and some are filling accounts with activity.

verdverm 8mo ago
There has been a shift to the Ai accounts, they use Show HN less now. This started before dang's comment, I assume because they saw the earlier posts about the increase in quantity / decrease in quality. I suspect that they are trying to fake engagement prior to making their first "show" post as well.
LuxBennu 8mo ago
Fair enough — I've been lurking since 2019 and picked a bad day to start commenting on everything at once. Not a bot, just overeager. I'll pace myself.
- Springtime 8mo ago
  Your account posted dense, opinionated and structured paragraphs mere minutes apart—sometimes the same minute—for multiple story submissions. Even with my own sometimes lengthy replies this would be infeasible to both instantly have structured opinions and type them out in time. Two of your posts were posted the same minute, with a combined word count of 146. It feels like it'd take someone superhuman to come across different stories, have such opinions and type and submit both of these in that timeframe or queuing up comments to post rapid-fire. Conspicuously too, as another pointed out, is every single comment of yours uses an em dash, which despite occasionally using myself (hey look they're in this reply) is not in every single comment. Idk, if I was being seriously accused of botting I'd put more reasoning into my response about it.
  - 8mo ago

nkohari 8mo ago

I would love to understand the thought process behind this. I'm sure it's a fun experiment, to see if it's possible and so on... but what tangible benefit could there be to burning tokens to spam comments on every post?

Jowsey 8mo ago

Agreed. This is becoming an issue, see also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47259308 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47259308

152334H 8mo ago

Looks like gradual disempowerment is already happening - the minority of humans who are capable of spotting AI content are losing the struggle for attention on all major social networks

bottlepalm 8mo ago

It's scary, without the em dashes, and the rapid fire commenting of the account - who would ever realize this is a bot? Two easy to fix things, and after that it'd be very difficult to tell that this is a bot. It's not a question of if there are other bots out there, but only what % of comments on HN right now and elsewhere are bot generated. That number is only going to increase if nothing is done.