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This is cool but I’m sorry, that’s not a vaccine - it’s a prophylactic. A vaccine or inoculation is named because it creates a sustained adaptation to a target

This is cool but I’m sorry, that’s not a vaccine - it’s a prophylactic. A vaccine or inoculation is named because it creates a sustained adaptation to a targeted antigen. Something that boosts immune response is not an acquired adaptation! This would need to be re-upped every month or so. Good for travel and brief encounters. Not an actual immunization. Not too mention boosting cell growth factors can have unintended side effects like cancer! There are immune system cancers and I would be concerned about risks there.

jml78 7mo ago
I would also mention, just general auto-immune diseases. I would be very worried this could trigger those in people who wouldn't have gotten one otherwise.
- CGMthrowaway 7mo ago
  What's interesting to me is that one of the biggest booms in pharma over the last ~10 years has been biologics / monoclonal antibodies that treat auto-immune diseases by SUPRESSING cytokines. Examples include TNF inhibitors like Remicade/Humira/Enbrel; or specific IL-XX inhibitors like Dupixent/Cosentyx/Skyrizi/Tremfya/etc; or interferon therapies for MS. These are increasingly used for a broad (unlimited?) set of autoimmune or inflammatory diseases and work by blocking specific cytokines to reduce immune overactivity. What this treatment does is the opposite side of that coin, it mimics cytokines in order to PROMOTE an immune response. Immune regulation is an area that deserves a lot more research, and there is going to be learning (harm) along the way. An increasing body of science is pointing to autoimmune diseases being triggered by traditional vaccines, which are then treated by the biologics above that increase the likelihood of other disease due to immunosuppression, which can now be treated(?) by a new immunobooster AKA universal vaccine?
  - brewcejener 7mo ago
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  - jml78 7mo ago
    I would like to see the "increasing" body of evidence pointing towards traditional vaccines. My wife has an autoimmune disease. Most all the evidence points towards gut biome but that shit is super complicated. We have very little research into what our gut biome needs to be.
    - CGMthrowaway 7mo ago
      If you want to continue to believe that vaccines come with no issues, you will find more than enough evidence to support that belief. I'm not here to dissuade you of that. If you are open to considering other possibilities, look into molecular mimicry and immune crossreaction, adjuvants and ASIA syndrome, bystander activation and epitope spreading, MMR and ITP, and the Guillain Barre syndrome studies
GorbachevyChase 7mo ago
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- gwerbin 7mo ago
  > This particular treatment seems like it would stimulate immune response all the time which doesn’t strike me as a good thing. I may stick to a multivitamin for now. They're going to say it's "safe", and only the crackpot wingnuts who believe in ancient aliens will complain, and then in 30 years when we realize it actually wasn't as safe as claimed, the next generation of The Powers that Be will make a big show of banning them and tout it as a big win for public health.
justinclift 7mo ago
> This would need to be re-upped every month or so. Great for the investors though? ;)

jml78 7mo ago

I would also mention, just general auto-immune diseases. I would be very worried this could trigger those in people who wouldn't have gotten one otherwise.

CGMthrowaway 7mo ago
What's interesting to me is that one of the biggest booms in pharma over the last ~10 years has been biologics / monoclonal antibodies that treat auto-immune diseases by SUPRESSING cytokines. Examples include TNF inhibitors like Remicade/Humira/Enbrel; or specific IL-XX inhibitors like Dupixent/Cosentyx/Skyrizi/Tremfya/etc; or interferon therapies for MS. These are increasingly used for a broad (unlimited?) set of autoimmune or inflammatory diseases and work by blocking specific cytokines to reduce immune overactivity. What this treatment does is the opposite side of that coin, it mimics cytokines in order to PROMOTE an immune response. Immune regulation is an area that deserves a lot more research, and there is going to be learning (harm) along the way. An increasing body of science is pointing to autoimmune diseases being triggered by traditional vaccines, which are then treated by the biologics above that increase the likelihood of other disease due to immunosuppression, which can now be treated(?) by a new immunobooster AKA universal vaccine?
- brewcejener 7mo ago
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- jml78 7mo ago
  I would like to see the "increasing" body of evidence pointing towards traditional vaccines. My wife has an autoimmune disease. Most all the evidence points towards gut biome but that shit is super complicated. We have very little research into what our gut biome needs to be.
  - CGMthrowaway 7mo ago
    If you want to continue to believe that vaccines come with no issues, you will find more than enough evidence to support that belief. I'm not here to dissuade you of that. If you are open to considering other possibilities, look into molecular mimicry and immune crossreaction, adjuvants and ASIA syndrome, bystander activation and epitope spreading, MMR and ITP, and the Guillain Barre syndrome studies

GorbachevyChase 7mo ago

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gwerbin 7mo ago
> This particular treatment seems like it would stimulate immune response all the time which doesn’t strike me as a good thing. I may stick to a multivitamin for now. They're going to say it's "safe", and only the crackpot wingnuts who believe in ancient aliens will complain, and then in 30 years when we realize it actually wasn't as safe as claimed, the next generation of The Powers that Be will make a big show of banning them and tout it as a big win for public health.

justinclift 7mo ago

> This would need to be re-upped every month or so. Great for the investors though? ;)