> Stealer malware is running rampant on the PC platform. It exists. Arbitrary words like "rampant" let you skew the conversation in your favor with no data. In

> Stealer malware is running rampant on the PC platform. It exists. Arbitrary words like "rampant" let you skew the conversation in your favor with no data. In what I see, malware has only gotten rarer, and most people are never affected by anything like it. And then 99% of stealers get there by asking the user for permissions at the system level or using sandbox escape exploits, even in fully secure systems. > Look into late 20th century PCs. They are designed to boot from a floppy disk first. Yes. Luckily, we wised up and this is no longer the case. And we even managed to do it without locking users into what <VENDOR> has decided was the best and only choice for them! In addition to already being fixed, it's just completely irrelevant today. When have you last seen a PC with a floppy drive, let alone one that people continue feeding floppies to this day? Are you saying that you consider people writing modern floppy boot malware and then injecting those floppies into organizations running legacy computers an actual, realistic threat? > It does not take physical access to write to a floppy disk. It takes physical access to insert it, and a whole lot of indirect IRL access to sneak infected media into whatever business is still using them. I'm not saying these things aren't bad. I maintain my previous point - the 'drawbacks' of open computing are minuscule, but real. The fact that you had to go all the way back to floppies, boot malware and physical attacks proves the point of how esoteric it all is. The internet is the real killer, and it affects every platform. The counterexamples come off as the kind of improbable justifications that every software megacorporation breaks out every time they want to lock down something "for your safety".