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Next is such a dumpster fire. So much wasted effort due to the Node ecosystem never developing a universal batteries included framework like Rails or Django.

abraxas 7mo ago
Which in turn were only invented because millennials would not be caught dead writing Java and JSP. We had all this shit figured out by the late nineties and 90% of what is accomplished on the web today was entirely possible and well integrated in Java app servers. This whole business is a fashion industry. I'm for one grateful for LLMs because for the first time in around 30 years there is actually genuine novelty to explore in software engineering. Ruby and nodejs weren't it.
- sgarman 7mo ago
  Mongodb is webscale.
  - steve_adams_86 7mo ago
    Do you think it can handle 10 requests per hour? How many mongo instances will that require, and should I use micro services?
- mattmanser 7mo ago
  It really wasn't. MVC really changed web dev for the better, and Django/Rails trail-blazed it. It's one of the few paradigms I've seen in my career that was an unequivocal win for us.
  - pjmlp 7mo ago
    We were already doing MVC in products like the one sold by Altitude Software in Portugal, in a Tcl based platform that was inspired on Vignette and AOLServer. The authors of said product eventually went on to create OutSystems, one of the very few RAD products to do Delphi/VB like application servers with graphical tooling. It was no need for Django/Rails trail-blaze anything other than not everyone has Silicon Valey visibilty to push their ideas.
- pjmlp 7mo ago
  Indeed, as someone confortably on Java/.NET ecosystem, I only put up with stuff like Next.js, because it has become a required skill in the headless SaaS products space. Thanks to Vercel partnerships, many of those SaaS vendors only support Next.js as extension/integration technology on their SDKs.
pjmlp 7mo ago
Unfortunely parterships made it almost unavoidable in some industry segments, I wonder what all those SaaS vendors will do if something goes wrong with Vercel, or when Next.js becomes unmanageable after yet another rewrite. Maybe they will rewrite everything with AI by then. /s

abraxas 7mo ago

Which in turn were only invented because millennials would not be caught dead writing Java and JSP. We had all this shit figured out by the late nineties and 90% of what is accomplished on the web today was entirely possible and well integrated in Java app servers. This whole business is a fashion industry. I'm for one grateful for LLMs because for the first time in around 30 years there is actually genuine novelty to explore in software engineering. Ruby and nodejs weren't it.

sgarman 7mo ago
Mongodb is webscale.
- steve_adams_86 7mo ago
  Do you think it can handle 10 requests per hour? How many mongo instances will that require, and should I use micro services?
mattmanser 7mo ago
It really wasn't. MVC really changed web dev for the better, and Django/Rails trail-blazed it. It's one of the few paradigms I've seen in my career that was an unequivocal win for us.
- pjmlp 7mo ago
  We were already doing MVC in products like the one sold by Altitude Software in Portugal, in a Tcl based platform that was inspired on Vignette and AOLServer. The authors of said product eventually went on to create OutSystems, one of the very few RAD products to do Delphi/VB like application servers with graphical tooling. It was no need for Django/Rails trail-blaze anything other than not everyone has Silicon Valey visibilty to push their ideas.
pjmlp 7mo ago
Indeed, as someone confortably on Java/.NET ecosystem, I only put up with stuff like Next.js, because it has become a required skill in the headless SaaS products space. Thanks to Vercel partnerships, many of those SaaS vendors only support Next.js as extension/integration technology on their SDKs.

pjmlp 7mo ago

Unfortunely parterships made it almost unavoidable in some industry segments, I wonder what all those SaaS vendors will do if something goes wrong with Vercel, or when Next.js becomes unmanageable after yet another rewrite. Maybe they will rewrite everything with AI by then. /s