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> Unfortunately, for most people the fact that it's part of Emacs is a blocker. OT but i've learned the hard way not to push people into emacs. a few years ag

by znpy 7mo ago

> Unfortunately, for most people the fact that it's part of Emacs is a blocker. OT but i've learned the hard way not to push people into emacs. a few years ago i made the very stupid mistake of pushing some colleague to trying/learning emacs and then i found myself having to explain the same person everything as well as fix his elisp code from his ~/.emacs . Reality is, i didn't want to have that role and that colleague wasn't interested in gnu emacs in the first place. That was a very stupid mistake on my side. Nowadays i just say things like "yeah it's magit, an emacs plugin" or "ah yeah, it's nice because you spend some time learning it and then you can bring it over from company to company, no licenses involved or other annoyances". Some people are intrigued, most other absolutely aren't... And it's fine.

kqr 7mo ago
Surely the mistake here is conflating "learning Magit" with "learning Emacs"? I can run Java applications while knowing nearly nothing about the JVM. The same is true for applications based on Emacs.
- steve1977 7mo ago
  One does not simply use Emacs.
  - worik 7mo ago
    I simply used Emacs for 25 years, avoiding editing .emacs entirely Only in the past years have I started customizing it My attraction to Emacs is stability and I can use it in text or GUI mode. Many editors have come and gone in that time, many employers insist I use this or that piece of over designed, under done GUI. When I have the chance, back to Emacs
- tsimionescu 7mo ago
  Magit is not an "application based on Emacs", it's an extremely powerful git plugin for someone who is already using Emacs. If you're not using Emacs, it would be crazy to fire up Magit just to do a git commit or rebase. Even the fact that you'd have to learn Emacs' extremely idiosyncratic keyboard shortcuts, and even keyboard shortcut help (what do you mean "save is C-x C-s?" what does that even mean?) is a huge problem not worth the effort. And I'm saying this as someone who has exclusively programmed in Emacs with Magit for the last 5 years in my job.
  - kqr 7mo ago
    > If you're not using Emacs, it would be crazy to fire up Magit just to do a git commit or rebase. What makes you say that? > what do you mean "save is C-x C-s?" what does that even mean? Magit never asks you to C-x C-s save anything. Magit has its own independent set of discoverable keybinds.

by znpy 7mo ago

kqr 7mo ago

Surely the mistake here is conflating "learning Magit" with "learning Emacs"? I can run Java applications while knowing nearly nothing about the JVM. The same is true for applications based on Emacs.

steve1977 7mo ago
One does not simply use Emacs.
- worik 7mo ago
  I simply used Emacs for 25 years, avoiding editing .emacs entirely Only in the past years have I started customizing it My attraction to Emacs is stability and I can use it in text or GUI mode. Many editors have come and gone in that time, many employers insist I use this or that piece of over designed, under done GUI. When I have the chance, back to Emacs
tsimionescu 7mo ago
Magit is not an "application based on Emacs", it's an extremely powerful git plugin for someone who is already using Emacs. If you're not using Emacs, it would be crazy to fire up Magit just to do a git commit or rebase. Even the fact that you'd have to learn Emacs' extremely idiosyncratic keyboard shortcuts, and even keyboard shortcut help (what do you mean "save is C-x C-s?" what does that even mean?) is a huge problem not worth the effort. And I'm saying this as someone who has exclusively programmed in Emacs with Magit for the last 5 years in my job.
- kqr 7mo ago
  > If you're not using Emacs, it would be crazy to fire up Magit just to do a git commit or rebase. What makes you say that? > what do you mean "save is C-x C-s?" what does that even mean? Magit never asks you to C-x C-s save anything. Magit has its own independent set of discoverable keybinds.