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https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-commits-to-subscriptions-even-after-heated-seat-debacle https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-commits-to-subscriptions-e... "But while BMW ultimately backed down over heated seats, the company still believes in the features-as-a-service model, and will continue to offer post-purchase upgrades through its ConnectedDrive platform. "

greatpatton 8mo ago
And then they will complain that Chinese company are simply crushing them... As a European, I have been buying only Asian cars for ages as I don't want to play their "add options" game, and I think that more and more people are tired of that.
- soco 8mo ago
  The enshittification and lack of market understanding (or care) of the major European car brands is a topic by itself. They may be rightfully complaining right now but a lot of their woes are self inflicted.
aerhardt 8mo ago
I drive a Cupra (a Spanish brand, a spinoff of SEAT, owned by Volkswagen) and when I was driving my car out of the dealership I had to tell the salesman I was not interested in signing up for the free app they were trying to foist me. He was dumbfounded. The model was selling like hotcakes yet I was the first customer that had outright refused to sign up for their shitty app. They pulled off the inevitable switcheroo, it now costs a monthly fee and I don’t want to think about what insidious things they can do with it.
- drnick1 8mo ago
  Chances are the dealer and manufacturer can still get telemetry data through the cellular modem built into the car. You will need to remove it to be reasonably sure that data isn't extracted.
  - aerhardt 8mo ago
    I know they are because they called me for service at the 10k km mark, but at least they’re not charging me for the pleasure.
    - drnick1 8mo ago
      The issue is that data is also shared with third parties, such as insurance companies and possibly the government. I could not, in good conscience, drive a car that spies on me and can be effectively controlled remotely.
  - everdrive 8mo ago
    >Chances are the dealer and manufacturer can still get telemetry data through the cellular modem built into the car. Exactly why I have a car without a cellular modem. They're getting quite rare, though, and I imagine will soon be impossible.
    - p0w3n3d 8mo ago
      I believe you're required to have it due to EU regulation for "automated 112 calling"

greatpatton 8mo ago

And then they will complain that Chinese company are simply crushing them... As a European, I have been buying only Asian cars for ages as I don't want to play their "add options" game, and I think that more and more people are tired of that.

soco 8mo ago
The enshittification and lack of market understanding (or care) of the major European car brands is a topic by itself. They may be rightfully complaining right now but a lot of their woes are self inflicted.

aerhardt 8mo ago

I drive a Cupra (a Spanish brand, a spinoff of SEAT, owned by Volkswagen) and when I was driving my car out of the dealership I had to tell the salesman I was not interested in signing up for the free app they were trying to foist me. He was dumbfounded. The model was selling like hotcakes yet I was the first customer that had outright refused to sign up for their shitty app. They pulled off the inevitable switcheroo, it now costs a monthly fee and I don’t want to think about what insidious things they can do with it.

drnick1 8mo ago
Chances are the dealer and manufacturer can still get telemetry data through the cellular modem built into the car. You will need to remove it to be reasonably sure that data isn't extracted.
- aerhardt 8mo ago
  I know they are because they called me for service at the 10k km mark, but at least they’re not charging me for the pleasure.
  - drnick1 8mo ago
    The issue is that data is also shared with third parties, such as insurance companies and possibly the government. I could not, in good conscience, drive a car that spies on me and can be effectively controlled remotely.
- everdrive 8mo ago
  >Chances are the dealer and manufacturer can still get telemetry data through the cellular modem built into the car. Exactly why I have a car without a cellular modem. They're getting quite rare, though, and I imagine will soon be impossible.
  - p0w3n3d 8mo ago
    I believe you're required to have it due to EU regulation for "automated 112 calling"