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The quiet ones need to learn to speak up when they have something important to add. Just sitting there quietly and not speaking, not participating in discussion

by lionkor 8mo ago

The quiet ones need to learn to speak up when they have something important to add. Just sitting there quietly and not speaking, not participating in discussions, and not speaking up when something is wrong, is NOT noble. "Quiet" people who know when to speak absolutely rise above anyone else, in a professional setting, in my experience.

namtab00 8mo ago
The problem is knowing the "when", or better yet choosing the "right" one. Don't ask me about these targets I have on my back. Many times and in many orgs, the window to speak up opens too seldomly and it's barely cracked open...
lnsru 8mo ago
I see your naive opinion attracted lots of negativity. In perfect world decades ago the quiet ones had a chance. With right approach and good timing it worked very well: https://www.bmwblog.com/2025/02/10/bmw-3-series-touring-history-max-reisboeck/ https://www.bmwblog.com/2025/02/10/bmw-3-series-touring-hist... And that was seen in German economy growth. Now it’s completely different. Result is secondary, process is most important: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/munich-airport-lufthansa-flights-snow-b2928834.html?test_group=lighteradlayout https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/munich-... Now it’s noise and screaming. You can speak up, result will be the same as if you would do that in the forest. Loud bullshiters will be promoted. Your technical opinion with properly perceived problems will be discarded as stupid. Welcome in the age of noise. And it also reflects in the current German economy and probably politics too.
riskable 8mo ago
The right time to speak up about something that's wrong is always NOW. Why? Because if you knew and didn't say something at the earliest possible moment you will get blamed for inaction later. If you don't say something when you see something is wrong, never say anything about it (at all). Otherwise you're asking for trouble later when the shit eventually hits the fan. "You knew and didn't say anything‽" Even if someone gets upset at you for speaking up, that's still a better situation than being blamed later when the real finger pointing occurs. "Don't look at me! I warned about this!" is a very real get-out-of-jail-free card in medium to large organizations. Especially if you have your objections in writing (save all emails!). As a great example: At my work, the company made a piss poor decision to buy an (expensive) enterprise product that I warned would not work to solve the problem it was being purchased to solve. I warned them ahead of time that it wouldn't work. Then I warned them in the middle of the project and again, at implementation time. When it didn't work, management came down HARD on everyone. In the middle of the finger pointing meeting I pulled up my emails which were sent to the people trying to point the proverbial finger and the meeting was over. Just like that! I saved the whole team with the simple act of voicing my objections in writing at every stage of the project. If I didn't do that I have no doubt that some scapegoat would've been fired. Instead, no one got fired (sadly, because the normal rules of incompetence don't apply to the clueless/management layer, haha). Unfortunately, to this day management never takes my offers of, "instead of purchasing this terrible 'enterprise' solution for millions of dollars, give ME that money and I'll produce a solution that's better in every way. I'll even have it up and running faster than we could requisition and install the product!"
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tsunamifury 8mo ago
Yes but how else will they live a rich internal life where they are the hero’s and everyone else is useless. If they speak up their illusions might be shattered!
butterbomb 8mo ago
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pc86 8mo ago
Being able to yell and scream and be loud yet choosing to be calm and quiet can be noble in the right circumstances. Being quiet and timid because that's all you're capable of doing is simply being ineffectual and weak and isn't noble even when being calm and quiet is the right thing to do.
mikkupikku 8mo ago
We've got to pick our battles.
- jamesfinlayson 8mo ago
  Yep. And some people will just never take it will and do everything they can to sink you if you disagree with them.

by lionkor 8mo ago

namtab00 8mo ago

The problem is knowing the "when", or better yet choosing the "right" one. Don't ask me about these targets I have on my back. Many times and in many orgs, the window to speak up opens too seldomly and it's barely cracked open...

lnsru 8mo ago

I see your naive opinion attracted lots of negativity. In perfect world decades ago the quiet ones had a chance. With right approach and good timing it worked very well: https://www.bmwblog.com/2025/02/10/bmw-3-series-touring-history-max-reisboeck/ https://www.bmwblog.com/2025/02/10/bmw-3-series-touring-hist... And that was seen in German economy growth. Now it’s completely different. Result is secondary, process is most important: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/munich-airport-lufthansa-flights-snow-b2928834.html?test_group=lighteradlayout https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/munich-... Now it’s noise and screaming. You can speak up, result will be the same as if you would do that in the forest. Loud bullshiters will be promoted. Your technical opinion with properly perceived problems will be discarded as stupid. Welcome in the age of noise. And it also reflects in the current German economy and probably politics too.

riskable 8mo ago

The right time to speak up about something that's wrong is always NOW. Why? Because if you knew and didn't say something at the earliest possible moment you will get blamed for inaction later. If you don't say something when you see something is wrong, never say anything about it (at all). Otherwise you're asking for trouble later when the shit eventually hits the fan. "You knew and didn't say anything‽" Even if someone gets upset at you for speaking up, that's still a better situation than being blamed later when the real finger pointing occurs. "Don't look at me! I warned about this!" is a very real get-out-of-jail-free card in medium to large organizations. Especially if you have your objections in writing (save all emails!). As a great example: At my work, the company made a piss poor decision to buy an (expensive) enterprise product that I warned would not work to solve the problem it was being purchased to solve. I warned them ahead of time that it wouldn't work. Then I warned them in the middle of the project and again, at implementation time. When it didn't work, management came down HARD on everyone. In the middle of the finger pointing meeting I pulled up my emails which were sent to the people trying to point the proverbial finger and the meeting was over. Just like that! I saved the whole team with the simple act of voicing my objections in writing at every stage of the project. If I didn't do that I have no doubt that some scapegoat would've been fired. Instead, no one got fired (sadly, because the normal rules of incompetence don't apply to the clueless/management layer, haha). Unfortunately, to this day management never takes my offers of, "instead of purchasing this terrible 'enterprise' solution for millions of dollars, give ME that money and I'll produce a solution that's better in every way. I'll even have it up and running faster than we could requisition and install the product!"

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tsunamifury 8mo ago

Yes but how else will they live a rich internal life where they are the hero’s and everyone else is useless. If they speak up their illusions might be shattered!

butterbomb 8mo ago

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pc86 8mo ago

Being able to yell and scream and be loud yet choosing to be calm and quiet can be noble in the right circumstances. Being quiet and timid because that's all you're capable of doing is simply being ineffectual and weak and isn't noble even when being calm and quiet is the right thing to do.

mikkupikku 8mo ago

We've got to pick our battles.

jamesfinlayson 8mo ago
Yep. And some people will just never take it will and do everything they can to sink you if you disagree with them.