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Except cameras don't increase safety. You say it yourself that everyone just speeds up after the camera. Getting a ticket also does nothing to prevent you from

by Orygin 7mo ago

Except cameras don't increase safety. You say it yourself that everyone just speeds up after the camera. Getting a ticket also does nothing to prevent you from speeding in the first place (the ticket does not arrive to you instantly, you're still speeding on the road). Road safety is an infrastructure problem, but it is always easier and cheaper to just put a camera and collect money. While designing roads that you cannot go too fast, and actually building them cost money. They just want the cheapest option to say "we did something". Not the safest.

presentation 7mo ago
One time when I was living in Shanghai, I accidentally took the train to the wrong airport and had to take a cab to the other one. The cabbie was driving on the highway right at the speed limit, and I was worried I wouldn’t make my flight. I asked him if he could rush a bit, but he replied that he would not speed because 100% he would get a ticket. It only doesn’t work if the system is half assed. But I agree that in low speed pedestrian areas, the built form is a better solution, but knowing you will get caught is also effective (if you accept the privacy tradeoffs).
- Orygin 7mo ago
  It is effective if there are cameras everywhere, meaning you are tracked and spied on everywhere you go. I'd prefer we spend a bit more on the road infrastructure than live in a surveillance hell.
fennecfoxy 7mo ago
>You say it yourself that everyone just speeds up after the camera ...because they know where it is and there are so few of them... Humans are very good at trying to get away with things. The only way to solve speeding is for people to receive the fines, receive the points on their license. They only speed because they're selfish fucks and because it's so easy to get away with it.
- Orygin 7mo ago
  So put cameras everywhere? What a privacy nightmare.
  - fennecfoxy 7mo ago
    So with existing speed cameras your solution for your supposed privacy is what? Standing between the cameras? As always the problem is never with the technology it's the stupid human part of the system that's the problem. The fact that is technology is misused to surveil people illegally that the repercussions for a biz involved (because all those taxpayer dollars gotta go into private biz!) then that company maybe receives a slap on the wrist, a fine that's maybe 1-2% of their revenue if that, and all the execs get off scot free. Not to mention all those in government/well to-do "won't somebody please think of the children" would still love for such systems to be used to monitor people. I guess yeah, you're right. Humans cannot be trusted not to fuck each other over. If we surveil to prevent dangerous driving people will use it for bad. If we don't surveil then people will speed and kill others with their cars. Our species is lose-lose.

by Orygin 7mo ago

presentation 7mo ago

One time when I was living in Shanghai, I accidentally took the train to the wrong airport and had to take a cab to the other one. The cabbie was driving on the highway right at the speed limit, and I was worried I wouldn’t make my flight. I asked him if he could rush a bit, but he replied that he would not speed because 100% he would get a ticket. It only doesn’t work if the system is half assed. But I agree that in low speed pedestrian areas, the built form is a better solution, but knowing you will get caught is also effective (if you accept the privacy tradeoffs).

Orygin 7mo ago
It is effective if there are cameras everywhere, meaning you are tracked and spied on everywhere you go. I'd prefer we spend a bit more on the road infrastructure than live in a surveillance hell.

fennecfoxy 7mo ago

>You say it yourself that everyone just speeds up after the camera ...because they know where it is and there are so few of them... Humans are very good at trying to get away with things. The only way to solve speeding is for people to receive the fines, receive the points on their license. They only speed because they're selfish fucks and because it's so easy to get away with it.

Orygin 7mo ago
So put cameras everywhere? What a privacy nightmare.
- fennecfoxy 7mo ago
  So with existing speed cameras your solution for your supposed privacy is what? Standing between the cameras? As always the problem is never with the technology it's the stupid human part of the system that's the problem. The fact that is technology is misused to surveil people illegally that the repercussions for a biz involved (because all those taxpayer dollars gotta go into private biz!) then that company maybe receives a slap on the wrist, a fine that's maybe 1-2% of their revenue if that, and all the execs get off scot free. Not to mention all those in government/well to-do "won't somebody please think of the children" would still love for such systems to be used to monitor people. I guess yeah, you're right. Humans cannot be trusted not to fuck each other over. If we surveil to prevent dangerous driving people will use it for bad. If we don't surveil then people will speed and kill others with their cars. Our species is lose-lose.