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The justification by Apple is that it keeps the concentricity between window corner and the red/green/yellow window controls. Which, as you may notice, it does.

by tomovo 7mo ago

The justification by Apple is that it keeps the concentricity between window corner and the red/green/yellow window controls. Which, as you may notice, it does. It's wrong though, because the window is the higher element in the hierarchy (container) and should not be affected by what is inside. It creates a larger inconsistency than the "consistency" it supposedly brings.

WillAdams 7mo ago
Agreed. A better solution would be to adjust the sizing/placement of the window controls (and allow the hit area to include the original placement maybe?).
lapcat 7mo ago
Here's a Finder window screenshot from Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah: https://512pixels.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/10-0-Cheetah-Applications.png https://512pixels.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/10-0-Cheeta... Notice two things: 1) The window chrome with traffic lights and title is entirely separate from the toolbar, not unified with the toolbar. 2) The top of the window is rounded, but the bottom of the window is not! I think the old design was superior for several reasons, one of which is that it made the windows much easier to drag around the screen. In any case, though, even if there's an argument about concentricity and window controls, it makes no sense that the bottom of the window has the same corner radius as the top when the toolbar is only at the top.
- steve1977 7mo ago
  IIRC, you could even "roll up" the window into the top window chrome, with that transparent pill button on the right.
- create-username 7mo ago
  It’s a great desktop environment. I wish I could install it. I’m trying to install the CDE on a parallel’s FreeBSD VM but it doesn’t relaunch after rebooting it.
trymas 7mo ago
my other comment on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321852 Traffic light buttons were already equidistant to the edge of the window. Now they are trying to center circles in squircles[1], breaking window edges and draggability, etc. > It creates a larger inconsistency than the "consistency" it supposedly brings. That's why I am baffled (as many commenters here) - how did this went out all the way to release, instead of ending as an experiment at design floor. [1] parent comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321065 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321065

by tomovo 7mo ago

WillAdams 7mo ago

Agreed. A better solution would be to adjust the sizing/placement of the window controls (and allow the hit area to include the original placement maybe?).

lapcat 7mo ago

Here's a Finder window screenshot from Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah: https://512pixels.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/10-0-Cheetah-Applications.png https://512pixels.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/10-0-Cheeta... Notice two things: 1) The window chrome with traffic lights and title is entirely separate from the toolbar, not unified with the toolbar. 2) The top of the window is rounded, but the bottom of the window is not! I think the old design was superior for several reasons, one of which is that it made the windows much easier to drag around the screen. In any case, though, even if there's an argument about concentricity and window controls, it makes no sense that the bottom of the window has the same corner radius as the top when the toolbar is only at the top.

steve1977 7mo ago
IIRC, you could even "roll up" the window into the top window chrome, with that transparent pill button on the right.
create-username 7mo ago
It’s a great desktop environment. I wish I could install it. I’m trying to install the CDE on a parallel’s FreeBSD VM but it doesn’t relaunch after rebooting it.

trymas 7mo ago

my other comment on this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321852 Traffic light buttons were already equidistant to the edge of the window. Now they are trying to center circles in squircles[1], breaking window edges and draggability, etc. > It creates a larger inconsistency than the "consistency" it supposedly brings. That's why I am baffled (as many commenters here) - how did this went out all the way to release, instead of ending as an experiment at design floor. [1] parent comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321065 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47321065