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This was one of the very few advantages of moving from Linux => MacOS, that at least most of the software was beautiful and consistent by default. I'm saddened

This was one of the very few advantages of moving from Linux => MacOS, that at least most of the software was beautiful and consistent by default. I'm saddened to see that this is not true anymore. Been holding the Tahoe upgrade, and might just keep my macbook air m1 much longer than originally intended because of this.

mrcarrot 7mo ago
I've started using Linux recently after not touching a desktop distro for 20-odd years, and I was surprised how good both Gnome and KDE look these days. It certainly doesn't feel like there's a trillion-dollar-company difference between those two and Tahoe.
- chang1 7mo ago
  Same! I hadn't touched Linux since 2005-06. I've been trying out Niri and Noctalia. I've been pleasantly surprised how close I'm able to get to match most of what I do on a Mac. I haven't had this much fun with computers in years. It has certainly helped with my Tahoe grief.
eastbound 7mo ago
Beautiful, it’s nice, but the polished user experience was the ultimate argument. - Raising the lid of the laptop and the base wouldn’t stick and fall off on the desk, - A single-button click, - A Cmd+C to copy and Ctrl+C for the interruption 7 in the terminal, But now you have to configure that, yes, activate the right-click; yes, activate the three-finger click (wtf, 3 fingers); yes, activate the swipe-across-desktops on the magic mouse, all those items were selling points, so they should have studied the best behavior and implemented it by default on all deployments. But that requires studies, aesthetics, and a taste that only Steeve Jobs had, otherwise everything becomes an option. That’s right, I’m going to paraphrase Jobs’ argument against the 1990ies Microsoft: The problem with Apple is they have no taste.
- ant6n 7mo ago
  What I find confusing and unhelpful is how The Apple OS deals with windows. Say if you have 4 safari windows, 3 excel windows, 5 window word documents and a bunch of terminals spread across a bunch of desktops. To me, I have clearly conceptionalized different work streams into desktops. Apple doesn’t understand and respect that. Firstly, alt-tab doesn’t consider windows, it considers apps. So if you have multiple browser windows or word windows open, you can’t alt-tab between them. It’s totally confusing. So I install an app just to get the normal alt-tab behavior of other OSs, to alt-tab between windows (mine is called alt-tab, and it’s a bit buggy and slow, I think they all are) Next, Apple does not respect the multiple desktop boundary. If I click on the safari icon in the dock, it will switch to some seemingly random safari window in some other desktop. If I close any window, it will also run off to some other window of the same app in some other desktop (who came up with that behavior?) when I dismiss an outlook notification, it will run of to another desktop to look at outlook (actually I think this one is Microsoft’s fault, but Apple could probably do something about this one). The result is that while working, I have trouble staying on the desktop I’m working on, I constantly am getting sent off to some other random desktop, and have to find where I am and where I was. There must be a better, more productive way to manage windows and desktops. (Also what’s up with the autocorrect, I had to retype every instance of “I think” in this message, because it insists it should be “o think”)
  - marxisttemp 7mo ago
    > Firstly, alt-tab I assume you mean cmd-tab. >doesn’t consider windows, it considers apps. So if you have multiple browser windows or word windows open, you can’t alt-tab between them. It’s totally confusing. You use cmd-tilde to switch between windows. >So I install an app just to get the normal alt-tab behavior of other OSs, to alt-tab between windows (mine is called alt-tab, and it’s a bit buggy and slow, I think they all are) You don’t need an app. >Next, Apple does not respect the multiple desktop boundary. If I click on the safari icon in the dock, it will switch to some seemingly random safari window in some other desktop. If I close any window, it will also run off to some other window of the same app in some other desktop (who came up with that behavior?) when I dismiss an outlook notification, it will run of to another desktop to look at outlook (actually I think this one is Microsoft’s fault, but Apple could probably do something about this one). The result is that while working, I have trouble staying on the desktop I’m working on, I constantly am getting sent off to some other random desktop, and have to find where I am and where I was. There must be a better, more productive way to manage windows and desktops. This is a configurable setting. >(Also what’s up with the autocorrect, I had to retype every instance of “I think” in this message, because it insists it should be “o think”) This is a configurable setting.
dagi3d 7mo ago
I am in the same boat. I would like to buy a new m5, but being forced to keep Tahoe is preventing me to get it until they fix this clusterfuck
bityard 7mo ago
I hear KDE Plasma is nice this time of year. Computers should adapt to fit the user, not the other way around.
nullpoint420 7mo ago
Modern Gnome on Fedora feels like MacOS in a good way. Consistent design

mrcarrot 7mo ago

I've started using Linux recently after not touching a desktop distro for 20-odd years, and I was surprised how good both Gnome and KDE look these days. It certainly doesn't feel like there's a trillion-dollar-company difference between those two and Tahoe.

chang1 7mo ago
Same! I hadn't touched Linux since 2005-06. I've been trying out Niri and Noctalia. I've been pleasantly surprised how close I'm able to get to match most of what I do on a Mac. I haven't had this much fun with computers in years. It has certainly helped with my Tahoe grief.

eastbound 7mo ago

Beautiful, it’s nice, but the polished user experience was the ultimate argument. - Raising the lid of the laptop and the base wouldn’t stick and fall off on the desk, - A single-button click, - A Cmd+C to copy and Ctrl+C for the interruption 7 in the terminal, But now you have to configure that, yes, activate the right-click; yes, activate the three-finger click (wtf, 3 fingers); yes, activate the swipe-across-desktops on the magic mouse, all those items were selling points, so they should have studied the best behavior and implemented it by default on all deployments. But that requires studies, aesthetics, and a taste that only Steeve Jobs had, otherwise everything becomes an option. That’s right, I’m going to paraphrase Jobs’ argument against the 1990ies Microsoft: The problem with Apple is they have no taste.

ant6n 7mo ago
What I find confusing and unhelpful is how The Apple OS deals with windows. Say if you have 4 safari windows, 3 excel windows, 5 window word documents and a bunch of terminals spread across a bunch of desktops. To me, I have clearly conceptionalized different work streams into desktops. Apple doesn’t understand and respect that. Firstly, alt-tab doesn’t consider windows, it considers apps. So if you have multiple browser windows or word windows open, you can’t alt-tab between them. It’s totally confusing. So I install an app just to get the normal alt-tab behavior of other OSs, to alt-tab between windows (mine is called alt-tab, and it’s a bit buggy and slow, I think they all are) Next, Apple does not respect the multiple desktop boundary. If I click on the safari icon in the dock, it will switch to some seemingly random safari window in some other desktop. If I close any window, it will also run off to some other window of the same app in some other desktop (who came up with that behavior?) when I dismiss an outlook notification, it will run of to another desktop to look at outlook (actually I think this one is Microsoft’s fault, but Apple could probably do something about this one). The result is that while working, I have trouble staying on the desktop I’m working on, I constantly am getting sent off to some other random desktop, and have to find where I am and where I was. There must be a better, more productive way to manage windows and desktops. (Also what’s up with the autocorrect, I had to retype every instance of “I think” in this message, because it insists it should be “o think”)
- marxisttemp 7mo ago
  > Firstly, alt-tab I assume you mean cmd-tab. >doesn’t consider windows, it considers apps. So if you have multiple browser windows or word windows open, you can’t alt-tab between them. It’s totally confusing. You use cmd-tilde to switch between windows. >So I install an app just to get the normal alt-tab behavior of other OSs, to alt-tab between windows (mine is called alt-tab, and it’s a bit buggy and slow, I think they all are) You don’t need an app. >Next, Apple does not respect the multiple desktop boundary. If I click on the safari icon in the dock, it will switch to some seemingly random safari window in some other desktop. If I close any window, it will also run off to some other window of the same app in some other desktop (who came up with that behavior?) when I dismiss an outlook notification, it will run of to another desktop to look at outlook (actually I think this one is Microsoft’s fault, but Apple could probably do something about this one). The result is that while working, I have trouble staying on the desktop I’m working on, I constantly am getting sent off to some other random desktop, and have to find where I am and where I was. There must be a better, more productive way to manage windows and desktops. This is a configurable setting. >(Also what’s up with the autocorrect, I had to retype every instance of “I think” in this message, because it insists it should be “o think”) This is a configurable setting.

dagi3d 7mo ago

I am in the same boat. I would like to buy a new m5, but being forced to keep Tahoe is preventing me to get it until they fix this clusterfuck

bityard 7mo ago

I hear KDE Plasma is nice this time of year. Computers should adapt to fit the user, not the other way around.

nullpoint420 7mo ago

Modern Gnome on Fedora feels like MacOS in a good way. Consistent design