5 ms·

Not condescending at all

by ssrshh 7mo ago

bronlund 7mo ago
My children are on their own journey and I’m just trying to be supportive. I don’t measure their worth by how much they agree or understand my perspective.
- simmerup 7mo ago
  Maybe being around children is giving you a false sense of superiority
  - bronlund 7mo ago
    Relax. It’s going to be okey :)
    - simmerup 7mo ago
      case in point
      - bronlund 7mo ago
        Not really. It was a joke. That went right over your head it seems.
archagon 7mo ago
For some reason, AI boosters can't help but condescend. I've never seen this with the rollout of any other technology. It's like this stuff immediately becomes a core part of their personality.
- bronlund 7mo ago
  I agree that this new thing is polarizing, but as with the rollout of any groundbreaking technology, the ones looking backwards is just going to be left behind.
  - archagon 7mo ago
    As I see it, the only reason to make such a bold claim (as opposed to just doing what you do and seeing how things shake out) is insecurity. Especially if you’re condescending about it.
    - bronlund 7mo ago
      This discussion is not new. Books was criticized for being addictive and antisocial. TV for rotting our brains. And even if there are some truths to these claims, I do appreciate both. If you want to be passive aggressive without AI, the more tokens there is for the rest of us ;)
  - slopinthebag 7mo ago
    I largely agree with you but I still can't stand the "you're gonna be left behind!!" framing that is really common with people who are enthusiastic about AI. What does it even mean to "be left behind" in this instance, it's just a vague emotional expression. These AI tools are not hard to learn, in fact they're super easy when you have some experience programming, so the only people who are going to be left behind are the ones who simply refuse to use the tools out of principle. And why would they care about being "left behind"? They're making a conscious choice to not use the tools. They want to be left behind! And not everyone who is skeptical are that out of principle, some just don't see the value yet or are slowly and cautiously adopting it into their workflow. If AI powered coding ends up being even half as good as promised, so good that denying the evidence is impossible, they can just start using it and catch right up. So who exactly is "being left behind" here? It's complete nonsense while simultaneously being extremely condescending and I get triggered every time I read the phrase. I don't mean anything against you personally with my ranting, it's more a general observation. Perhaps you and some others do mean it as a genuine bit of advice, like "hey, you should learn these tools or else you might struggle to find work in the future", but the sense I get most of the time are people who are gleeful that the non-believers are soon to be homeless or whatever.
    - bronlund 7mo ago
      Yeah, I could have formulated that in another way - 'missing out' would be a better term. I do not mean to be condescending in the meaning that I look down on people that have other preferences than me. Take books as an example. I do not believe that people that can't read is of any lesser value than me, and whether you can read or not, is a poor indication of how intelligent you are - or how happy you are for that matter. Sure, information is important, but there are a lot of different types of information and a lot of different ways of acquire it - so I do not believe that my way is any better than someone else's. That being said, me being able to read and appreciate books, do believe that people who can't, are missing out. We know books has been used for both good and evil, but I still think books are a wonderful invention. Same with television or the internet, the quality of the content on there doesn't really take anything away from the fact that the technology in itself is absolutely amazing. In hindsight - it has been a minute since Gutenberg - how the society has adopted the written word do have real implications for the people living in it though. If you can't read today, you will struggle. Not because there are anything wrong with you, but because the system more or less take it for granted that you can. And it is going to be the same with AI, but even more so. The ones who learns to master it will dominate those who don't. It will create a new form of class divide, where access to tokens and knowing how to use them, is going to be the main drivers. AI is still in it's early stages and we see that not everything is alright with it, take for instance the economics around it or the environmental impact it has. But still, I do believe that it is an amazing invention, and that if you do not embrace it, you are missing out.

Not condescending at all

by ssrshh 7mo ago

Not condescending at all

My children are on their own journey and I’m just trying to be supportive. I don’t measure their worth by how much they agree or understand my perspective.

simmerup 7mo ago
Maybe being around children is giving you a false sense of superiority
- bronlund 7mo ago
  Relax. It’s going to be okey :)
  - simmerup 7mo ago
    case in point
    - bronlund 7mo ago
      Not really. It was a joke. That went right over your head it seems.

archagon 7mo ago

For some reason, AI boosters can't help but condescend. I've never seen this with the rollout of any other technology. It's like this stuff immediately becomes a core part of their personality.

bronlund 7mo ago
I agree that this new thing is polarizing, but as with the rollout of any groundbreaking technology, the ones looking backwards is just going to be left behind.
- archagon 7mo ago
  As I see it, the only reason to make such a bold claim (as opposed to just doing what you do and seeing how things shake out) is insecurity. Especially if you’re condescending about it.
  - bronlund 7mo ago
    This discussion is not new. Books was criticized for being addictive and antisocial. TV for rotting our brains. And even if there are some truths to these claims, I do appreciate both. If you want to be passive aggressive without AI, the more tokens there is for the rest of us ;)
- slopinthebag 7mo ago
  I largely agree with you but I still can't stand the "you're gonna be left behind!!" framing that is really common with people who are enthusiastic about AI. What does it even mean to "be left behind" in this instance, it's just a vague emotional expression. These AI tools are not hard to learn, in fact they're super easy when you have some experience programming, so the only people who are going to be left behind are the ones who simply refuse to use the tools out of principle. And why would they care about being "left behind"? They're making a conscious choice to not use the tools. They want to be left behind! And not everyone who is skeptical are that out of principle, some just don't see the value yet or are slowly and cautiously adopting it into their workflow. If AI powered coding ends up being even half as good as promised, so good that denying the evidence is impossible, they can just start using it and catch right up. So who exactly is "being left behind" here? It's complete nonsense while simultaneously being extremely condescending and I get triggered every time I read the phrase. I don't mean anything against you personally with my ranting, it's more a general observation. Perhaps you and some others do mean it as a genuine bit of advice, like "hey, you should learn these tools or else you might struggle to find work in the future", but the sense I get most of the time are people who are gleeful that the non-believers are soon to be homeless or whatever.
  - bronlund 7mo ago
    Yeah, I could have formulated that in another way - 'missing out' would be a better term. I do not mean to be condescending in the meaning that I look down on people that have other preferences than me. Take books as an example. I do not believe that people that can't read is of any lesser value than me, and whether you can read or not, is a poor indication of how intelligent you are - or how happy you are for that matter. Sure, information is important, but there are a lot of different types of information and a lot of different ways of acquire it - so I do not believe that my way is any better than someone else's. That being said, me being able to read and appreciate books, do believe that people who can't, are missing out. We know books has been used for both good and evil, but I still think books are a wonderful invention. Same with television or the internet, the quality of the content on there doesn't really take anything away from the fact that the technology in itself is absolutely amazing. In hindsight - it has been a minute since Gutenberg - how the society has adopted the written word do have real implications for the people living in it though. If you can't read today, you will struggle. Not because there are anything wrong with you, but because the system more or less take it for granted that you can. And it is going to be the same with AI, but even more so. The ones who learns to master it will dominate those who don't. It will create a new form of class divide, where access to tokens and knowing how to use them, is going to be the main drivers. AI is still in it's early stages and we see that not everything is alright with it, take for instance the economics around it or the environmental impact it has. But still, I do believe that it is an amazing invention, and that if you do not embrace it, you are missing out.