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I make a point about salary because in the article, a DHS official is quoted as saying that the retention problems are not caused by money. I claim that's BS. t
by munin 14y ago
I make a point about salary because in the article, a DHS official is quoted as saying that the retention problems are not caused by money. I claim that's BS. they're totally caused by money.
even if you go to a crappy school, if you are a solid programmer or system administrator, you should be able to walk into a tech job out of graduation for no less than $60k. I was able to get an IT job in the private sector with just a HS diploma that made more than ($40k) what new government workers with relevant skills and a 4 year degree were offered/making, and after 6 months at that job I had offers for 50% more (how long would you have to be on the GS scale to see this kind of movement? a lot longer than 6 months).
also, no more pensions for government workers (AFAIK), at least many of them. you do have essentially job permanence though, is that worth only earning 1/3rd of your potential?
the salary thing is initially okay though, cos you were broke in college so whatever, you're still broke. later, when you're 26, making $60 doing computer programming, your friends are 26, making $140 doing computer programming, and your wife looks at you and says "hey so why can Tom and Nancy have children and also live in a house instead of share an apartment with another couple?" ...
- sliverstorm 14y ago$140k with a bachelor's and 4 years experience? If you start at $60k (the number you gave first), that's like a 25% raise every year. Man, did I pick the wrong career.
- munin 14y agonumbers are based off of data from glassdoor etc, conversations with recruiters, and my personal experiences / my friends and acquaintances experiences (where those personal experiences include salary negotiations with candidates) sorry :(
- aeontech 14y ago140K with 4 years experience seems really really fast to me, but if you are good at negotiation/politics, perhaps it can be done. Or if you are hired by a bubble company.
- forgottenpaswrd 14y ago"I claim that's BS. they're totally caused by money." I disagree. The best hackers I know HATE working for the gobertment, because they hate working for "the man", or any bureaucratic organization, and gob is the definition of bureaucracy. Being told constantly what to do, no freedom, and stupid political bosses is the main reason, not money.
- lumberjack 14y agoLooking at some successful startups in the very recent past can easily be a counterpoint to your statement. I don't think I need to say more.