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Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly so), and because of that, trying to recreate

by pron 8mo ago

Another problem is that Twitter's demise left people who liked the format disenchanted and suspicious (and rightly so), and because of that, trying to recreate Twitter is bound to fail, at least until some more time passes.

ghaff 8mo ago
For whatever faults the old Twitter had pre-Musk, it did establish a certain critical mass for a certain type of short form threaded discussion which seems to be largely dead at this point.
- alex1138 8mo ago
  Jack seemed interested in the protocol side of the house and making a good product that was in spirit of the internet, it also had a mix of people you might know IRL (with reasonable privacy defaults) and official sources/public figures. I don't think he was much interested in the censorship, it feels they got run over by a bunch of activist types during covid (who decided it was de rigeur to censor real doctors for perceived 'misinformation'). Jack started work on Bluesky and now is involved in Nostr Speaking personally, supposedly Twitter now (X) still has a bunch of censorship and I don't especially like Musk (but what he did was valuable, showing Jay Bhattacharya he'd be put on a trending blacklist) and the site is... well, I should be able to follow threads without having an account but they crippled it so much. It reminds me of Instagram, "log in to see any PUBLIC page"
  - guelo 8mo ago
    The censorship now is worse than what happened to Bhattacharya.
    - prohobo 8mo ago
      Court orders are different from psyops. The Bhattacharya thing, and the entire narrative around that stuff was essentially a psyop. Geo-restricting a Turkish politician because the authoritarian govt arrested him and gave a court order to restrict his account is - first of all - what all social media platforms must adhere to legally, and second of all is currently being contested by X in court.
      - alex1138 8mo ago
        I don't know if it was a psyop. Twitter banned tons of people during covid for completely ridiculous reasons, unless it was somehow all forced by court order or something
        guelo 8mo ago
        you don't know the people that are banned now but you knew the people back then. why do you think that is?
- throw-the-towel 8mo ago
  And it should well stay dead. Short form social media is just too good a fit for outrage farming.
ValentineC 8mo ago
Twitter's main problem wasn't the network, but fElon Musk running amok.
- pron 8mo ago
  Of course, but the damage was done.
- unselect5917 8mo ago
  It was the censorship. Which isn't gone, but is way less restrictive than it was. And I've actually started seeing bangers (auto) translated from Japanese, French, Spanish, and Portuguese lately, which is fantastic. I don't really want an English hivemind. I want to see what the whole world thinks. It's kinda fantastic tbh.
  - ajam1507 8mo ago
    Who needs censorship when you have an algorithm to feed people what you want them to see and you've self-selected for only people who aren't morally opposed to the new site? Don't be fooled into thinking you're getting a dose of unfiltered reality on X.
    - unselect5917 8mo ago
      >Who needs censorship when you have an algorithm to feed people what you want them to see and you've self-selected for only people who aren't morally opposed to the new site? It feeds you what you engage with, and it changes surprisingly quickly. It caught onto my ARC raiders interest almost instantly. I engaged with a Portuguese post once, and now I get wonderful translated posts in Spanish, French, and Arabic too. >Don't be fooled into thinking you're getting a dose of unfiltered reality on X. What evidence could you possibly have that I'm not? There's lots of "politically incorrect" things which is a symptom of low filtration. Besides, you can't have seen my feed. Completely baseless allegation. So what's the real reason for taking the anti-X stance?
      - 8mo ago
jauntywundrkind 8mo ago
One of Twitter's strengths was that it was a constructive community where near services & informational/radiative bots chilled. It was a connective fabric, it made information available. That's all been gone. The algorithm fav'ing paid blue check users massively made things worse from there. Bluesky attempts to be better on all fronts here. Interesting apps/services are welcome, permissionless. There is no top down pro-facsism pro-racism pro-MAGA finger-on-the-dial algo-shaping. Sure there's some who will just be burned out & not interested. But there's so many interesting structural safeguards & such a openness to play & creativity & tuning... I really encourage folks to give it a time. I would definitely hope that "bound to fail" is perhaps not a cast die, that, we tried something great once, it's gone, never again, is not how this works.
- cindyllm 8mo ago
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- nailer 8mo ago
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  - chaosharmonic 8mo ago
    Elon Musk is all of those things personally (see: that heil-handing incident), and it's public knowledge that he made the Twitter engineering team amplify his own posts.[1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/report-musk-had-twitter-engineers-boost-his-tweets-after-biden-got-more-views/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/report-musk-had-...
    - nailer 8mo ago
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      - KingMob 8mo ago
        > Many other public figures have raised their hands this way on video Lol. If you really believe this, try doing it on a busy street, and watch the responses you get.
unselect5917 8mo ago
>Twitter's demise I just checked https://apps.apple.com/us/iphone/charts/6009 https://apps.apple.com/us/iphone/charts/6009 and X (formerly twitter) is the #1 news app followed by substack, CrimeRadar Dispatch Audio, and coming in at 4th place is reddit. So if twitter's dead, what does that make reddit, 3 spots behind it? Well, not dead, obviously. Pretending that twitter is gone or dead is just not rational behavior.
- deleted 8mo ago
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- pron 8mo ago
  While still in business, X is shrinking fast (https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-x-user-decline-in-uk-eu-us https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-x-user-decline-in-uk-...) and sliding in the rankings, where it is well behind Reddit and LinkedIn, and even behind Pinterest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_social_platforms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_social_pl...). I'm not saying it's "fully dead", but it clearly lost the cultural relevance and impact it once had.
  - unselect5917 8mo ago
    That's a two year old article and X is the #1 news app today. How can you possibly construe that as "shrinking fast" if two years later it's in the top spot literally today? It seems like wishful thinking on your part rather than being reasonable based on first principles and the data at hand, from where I'm sitting.
    - pron 8mo ago
      The ranking compiled on Wikipedia is from a couple months ago. X is now behind Pinterest, Reddit, and LinkedIn (and of course, the major social players). Also, why would it be "wishful thinking"? BTW, on US iOS App Store, Claude today is way ahead of Chrome, Google Maps, YouTube, Gmail, TikTok, Instagram, and WhatsApp. Surely you don't think it means it's used by more people.

by pron 8mo ago

ghaff 8mo ago

For whatever faults the old Twitter had pre-Musk, it did establish a certain critical mass for a certain type of short form threaded discussion which seems to be largely dead at this point.

alex1138 8mo ago
Jack seemed interested in the protocol side of the house and making a good product that was in spirit of the internet, it also had a mix of people you might know IRL (with reasonable privacy defaults) and official sources/public figures. I don't think he was much interested in the censorship, it feels they got run over by a bunch of activist types during covid (who decided it was de rigeur to censor real doctors for perceived 'misinformation'). Jack started work on Bluesky and now is involved in Nostr Speaking personally, supposedly Twitter now (X) still has a bunch of censorship and I don't especially like Musk (but what he did was valuable, showing Jay Bhattacharya he'd be put on a trending blacklist) and the site is... well, I should be able to follow threads without having an account but they crippled it so much. It reminds me of Instagram, "log in to see any PUBLIC page"
- guelo 8mo ago
  The censorship now is worse than what happened to Bhattacharya.
  - prohobo 8mo ago
    Court orders are different from psyops. The Bhattacharya thing, and the entire narrative around that stuff was essentially a psyop. Geo-restricting a Turkish politician because the authoritarian govt arrested him and gave a court order to restrict his account is - first of all - what all social media platforms must adhere to legally, and second of all is currently being contested by X in court.
    - alex1138 8mo ago
      I don't know if it was a psyop. Twitter banned tons of people during covid for completely ridiculous reasons, unless it was somehow all forced by court order or something
      - guelo 8mo ago
        you don't know the people that are banned now but you knew the people back then. why do you think that is?
throw-the-towel 8mo ago
And it should well stay dead. Short form social media is just too good a fit for outrage farming.

ValentineC 8mo ago

Twitter's main problem wasn't the network, but fElon Musk running amok.

pron 8mo ago
Of course, but the damage was done.
unselect5917 8mo ago
It was the censorship. Which isn't gone, but is way less restrictive than it was. And I've actually started seeing bangers (auto) translated from Japanese, French, Spanish, and Portuguese lately, which is fantastic. I don't really want an English hivemind. I want to see what the whole world thinks. It's kinda fantastic tbh.
- ajam1507 8mo ago
  Who needs censorship when you have an algorithm to feed people what you want them to see and you've self-selected for only people who aren't morally opposed to the new site? Don't be fooled into thinking you're getting a dose of unfiltered reality on X.
  - unselect5917 8mo ago
    >Who needs censorship when you have an algorithm to feed people what you want them to see and you've self-selected for only people who aren't morally opposed to the new site? It feeds you what you engage with, and it changes surprisingly quickly. It caught onto my ARC raiders interest almost instantly. I engaged with a Portuguese post once, and now I get wonderful translated posts in Spanish, French, and Arabic too. >Don't be fooled into thinking you're getting a dose of unfiltered reality on X. What evidence could you possibly have that I'm not? There's lots of "politically incorrect" things which is a symptom of low filtration. Besides, you can't have seen my feed. Completely baseless allegation. So what's the real reason for taking the anti-X stance?
    - 8mo ago

jauntywundrkind 8mo ago

One of Twitter's strengths was that it was a constructive community where near services & informational/radiative bots chilled. It was a connective fabric, it made information available. That's all been gone. The algorithm fav'ing paid blue check users massively made things worse from there. Bluesky attempts to be better on all fronts here. Interesting apps/services are welcome, permissionless. There is no top down pro-facsism pro-racism pro-MAGA finger-on-the-dial algo-shaping. Sure there's some who will just be burned out & not interested. But there's so many interesting structural safeguards & such a openness to play & creativity & tuning... I really encourage folks to give it a time. I would definitely hope that "bound to fail" is perhaps not a cast die, that, we tried something great once, it's gone, never again, is not how this works.

cindyllm 8mo ago
[dead]
nailer 8mo ago
[flagged]
- chaosharmonic 8mo ago
  Elon Musk is all of those things personally (see: that heil-handing incident), and it's public knowledge that he made the Twitter engineering team amplify his own posts.[1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/report-musk-had-twitter-engineers-boost-his-tweets-after-biden-got-more-views/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/report-musk-had-...
  - nailer 8mo ago
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    - KingMob 8mo ago
      > Many other public figures have raised their hands this way on video Lol. If you really believe this, try doing it on a busy street, and watch the responses you get.

unselect5917 8mo ago

>Twitter's demise I just checked https://apps.apple.com/us/iphone/charts/6009 https://apps.apple.com/us/iphone/charts/6009 and X (formerly twitter) is the #1 news app followed by substack, CrimeRadar Dispatch Audio, and coming in at 4th place is reddit. So if twitter's dead, what does that make reddit, 3 spots behind it? Well, not dead, obviously. Pretending that twitter is gone or dead is just not rational behavior.

deleted 8mo ago
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pron 8mo ago
While still in business, X is shrinking fast (https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-x-user-decline-in-uk-eu-us https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-x-user-decline-in-uk-...) and sliding in the rankings, where it is well behind Reddit and LinkedIn, and even behind Pinterest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_social_platforms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_social_pl...). I'm not saying it's "fully dead", but it clearly lost the cultural relevance and impact it once had.
- unselect5917 8mo ago
  That's a two year old article and X is the #1 news app today. How can you possibly construe that as "shrinking fast" if two years later it's in the top spot literally today? It seems like wishful thinking on your part rather than being reasonable based on first principles and the data at hand, from where I'm sitting.
  - pron 8mo ago
    The ranking compiled on Wikipedia is from a couple months ago. X is now behind Pinterest, Reddit, and LinkedIn (and of course, the major social players). Also, why would it be "wishful thinking"? BTW, on US iOS App Store, Claude today is way ahead of Chrome, Google Maps, YouTube, Gmail, TikTok, Instagram, and WhatsApp. Surely you don't think it means it's used by more people.