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> they feel safer this way, What if somebody started a Whites-only gym because it made them feel safer?

sanswork 7mo ago
Are there many assaults on uber passengers because they are white? Are there many assaults on uber passengers because they are women? There is your answer.
- ShowalkKama 7mo ago
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  - sanswork 7mo ago
    I understand socioeconomic factors so I just ignore racist talking points.
    - ShowalkKama 7mo ago
      the fact that skin color can be a proxy for socioeconomic factors does not change the statistics. Do you investigate why a rapist has raped someone and then ignore it if the reason is socioeconomic factors? If applying your logic on skin color leads to discrimination then maybe it's discrimination even when the discriminated party is males.
      - sanswork 7mo ago
        It doesn't but it contextualises them. An inability to recognise that is a signal. Have you seen any correlation between socioeconomic factors and perpetrators of sexual assaults? Recognising that one group commits the majority of certain crimes isn't the issue, as you said it's just stats. The issue is entirely in ignoring other factors.
        ShowalkKama 7mo ago
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        sanswork 7mo ago
        The driving factors do exist though in the case of race which make filtering by it unacceptable. SA is common across race, socioeconomic status, etc. There are certainly some argument for some cultures encouraging beliefs that make it more common for them no argument here. That said filtering out drivers of a certain race is unlikely to make any difference in your risk profile where women filtering out men is likely to make a huge difference in their risk profile.
waterhouse 7mo ago
If Whites had, on average, 2.5 standard deviations lower upper-body strength than non-Whites, then maybe.
- commandlinefan 7mo ago
  That's not why women ask for women-only gyms.
  - waterhouse 7mo ago
    It's one of the relevant factors. It, and related facts, make it usually possible for a man to overpower a woman (and a predator self-selected for being somewhat above average in fighting ability might be confident of overpowering multiple women, or at least being able to get away in the worst case), which has implications for safety.
    - bombcar 7mo ago
      Women-only gyms are because women don't like being oogled whilst exercising. Maybe some claim it's for safety but the fact they're often 24hr would decry that.
- ihsw 7mo ago
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kelseyfrog 7mo ago
No one owes anyone moral consistency.
voxl 7mo ago
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- _cenw 7mo ago
  Typically? I mean sure, those spaces exist, but the typical "leftist space" is usually still drenched in rape culture, maybe with some pretense of not being so (ending up as a bad experience for everyone except the self-important people running it).
- zen928 7mo ago
  A similar uncomfortable reality exists in rightoid spaces where theres hemming and hawwing at articles like this being blindly misandrist, despite the evidence and statistics on a societal level that men overwhelmingly commit more acts of sexual violence on strangers and deserve higher even segregation (its not even close to the same ballpark), but alas, they flee the consequences and promote a culture that critiques their legitimate and statistically backed reluctance to participate (like this thread). Despite the name, cherry picking isnt that fruitful of an activity.
  - voxl 7mo ago
    You realize your argument works double well for black people right? This is the textbook misandry I was talking about. Bigotry based off statistics is what we call stereotyping. Also, sexual violence against strangers is nothing in comparison to violence perpetuated by people you know.
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glouwbug 7mo ago
Your average woman subjects themselves to a spectrum of sexual harassment ranging from cat calling to approaches - or even worse - by just leaving the house. Imagine them in gyms in workout clothing, or night club dresses in locked vehicles. If the solution is to limit what they wear, we're part of the problem

Are there many assaults on uber passengers because they are white? Are there many assaults on uber passengers because they are women? There is your answer.

ShowalkKama 7mo ago
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- sanswork 7mo ago
  I understand socioeconomic factors so I just ignore racist talking points.
  - ShowalkKama 7mo ago
    the fact that skin color can be a proxy for socioeconomic factors does not change the statistics. Do you investigate why a rapist has raped someone and then ignore it if the reason is socioeconomic factors? If applying your logic on skin color leads to discrimination then maybe it's discrimination even when the discriminated party is males.
    - sanswork 7mo ago
      It doesn't but it contextualises them. An inability to recognise that is a signal. Have you seen any correlation between socioeconomic factors and perpetrators of sexual assaults? Recognising that one group commits the majority of certain crimes isn't the issue, as you said it's just stats. The issue is entirely in ignoring other factors.
      - ShowalkKama 7mo ago
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        sanswork 7mo ago
        The driving factors do exist though in the case of race which make filtering by it unacceptable. SA is common across race, socioeconomic status, etc. There are certainly some argument for some cultures encouraging beliefs that make it more common for them no argument here. That said filtering out drivers of a certain race is unlikely to make any difference in your risk profile where women filtering out men is likely to make a huge difference in their risk profile.

waterhouse 7mo ago

If Whites had, on average, 2.5 standard deviations lower upper-body strength than non-Whites, then maybe.

commandlinefan 7mo ago
That's not why women ask for women-only gyms.
- waterhouse 7mo ago
  It's one of the relevant factors. It, and related facts, make it usually possible for a man to overpower a woman (and a predator self-selected for being somewhat above average in fighting ability might be confident of overpowering multiple women, or at least being able to get away in the worst case), which has implications for safety.
  - bombcar 7mo ago
    Women-only gyms are because women don't like being oogled whilst exercising. Maybe some claim it's for safety but the fact they're often 24hr would decry that.
ihsw 7mo ago
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kelseyfrog 7mo ago

No one owes anyone moral consistency.

voxl 7mo ago

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_cenw 7mo ago
Typically? I mean sure, those spaces exist, but the typical "leftist space" is usually still drenched in rape culture, maybe with some pretense of not being so (ending up as a bad experience for everyone except the self-important people running it).
zen928 7mo ago
A similar uncomfortable reality exists in rightoid spaces where theres hemming and hawwing at articles like this being blindly misandrist, despite the evidence and statistics on a societal level that men overwhelmingly commit more acts of sexual violence on strangers and deserve higher even segregation (its not even close to the same ballpark), but alas, they flee the consequences and promote a culture that critiques their legitimate and statistically backed reluctance to participate (like this thread). Despite the name, cherry picking isnt that fruitful of an activity.
- voxl 7mo ago
  You realize your argument works double well for black people right? This is the textbook misandry I was talking about. Bigotry based off statistics is what we call stereotyping. Also, sexual violence against strangers is nothing in comparison to violence perpetuated by people you know.

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glouwbug 7mo ago

Your average woman subjects themselves to a spectrum of sexual harassment ranging from cat calling to approaches - or even worse - by just leaving the house. Imagine them in gyms in workout clothing, or night club dresses in locked vehicles. If the solution is to limit what they wear, we're part of the problem