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Women's only gyms and hours exist already. If there's a need, and they feel safer this way, let them have it
by glouwbug 7mo ago
Women's only gyms and hours exist already. If there's a need, and they feel safer this way, let them have it
- GaryBluto 7mo ago> they feel safer this way, What if somebody started a Whites-only gym because it made them feel safer?
- sanswork 7mo agoAre there many assaults on uber passengers because they are white? Are there many assaults on uber passengers because they are women? There is your answer.
- ShowalkKama 7mo ago[flagged]
- sanswork 7mo agoI understand socioeconomic factors so I just ignore racist talking points.
- ShowalkKama 7mo agothe fact that skin color can be a proxy for socioeconomic factors does not change the statistics. Do you investigate why a rapist has raped someone and then ignore it if the reason is socioeconomic factors? If applying your logic on skin color leads to discrimination then maybe it's discrimination even when the discriminated party is males.
- sanswork 7mo agoIt doesn't but it contextualises them. An inability to recognise that is a signal. Have you seen any correlation between socioeconomic factors and perpetrators of sexual assaults? Recognising that one group commits the majority of certain crimes isn't the issue, as you said it's just stats. The issue is entirely in ignoring other factors.
- ShowalkKama 7mo ago[flagged]
- sanswork 7mo agoThe driving factors do exist though in the case of race which make filtering by it unacceptable. SA is common across race, socioeconomic status, etc. There are certainly some argument for some cultures encouraging beliefs that make it more common for them no argument here. That said filtering out drivers of a certain race is unlikely to make any difference in your risk profile where women filtering out men is likely to make a huge difference in their risk profile.
- waterhouse 7mo agoIf Whites had, on average, 2.5 standard deviations lower upper-body strength than non-Whites, then maybe.
- commandlinefan 7mo agoThat's not why women ask for women-only gyms.
- waterhouse 7mo agoIt's one of the relevant factors. It, and related facts, make it usually possible for a man to overpower a woman (and a predator self-selected for being somewhat above average in fighting ability might be confident of overpowering multiple women, or at least being able to get away in the worst case), which has implications for safety.
- bombcar 7mo agoWomen-only gyms are because women don't like being oogled whilst exercising. Maybe some claim it's for safety but the fact they're often 24hr would decry that.
- ihsw 7mo ago[dead]
- kelseyfrog 7mo agoNo one owes anyone moral consistency.
- voxl 7mo ago[dead]
- _cenw 7mo agoTypically? I mean sure, those spaces exist, but the typical "leftist space" is usually still drenched in rape culture, maybe with some pretense of not being so (ending up as a bad experience for everyone except the self-important people running it).
- zen928 7mo agoA similar uncomfortable reality exists in rightoid spaces where theres hemming and hawwing at articles like this being blindly misandrist, despite the evidence and statistics on a societal level that men overwhelmingly commit more acts of sexual violence on strangers and deserve higher even segregation (its not even close to the same ballpark), but alas, they flee the consequences and promote a culture that critiques their legitimate and statistically backed reluctance to participate (like this thread). Despite the name, cherry picking isnt that fruitful of an activity.
- voxl 7mo agoYou realize your argument works double well for black people right? This is the textbook misandry I was talking about. Bigotry based off statistics is what we call stereotyping. Also, sexual violence against strangers is nothing in comparison to violence perpetuated by people you know.
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- glouwbug 7mo agoYour average woman subjects themselves to a spectrum of sexual harassment ranging from cat calling to approaches - or even worse - by just leaving the house. Imagine them in gyms in workout clothing, or night club dresses in locked vehicles. If the solution is to limit what they wear, we're part of the problem
- hexyl_C_gut 7mo agoIf people feel safer with white only gyms, can people have that?
- kelvinjps10 7mo agoGo and have yours. Like nobody stopping you
- hexyl_C_gut 7mo agoCivil Rights law
- bombcar 7mo agoThere are so many ways around that you really don't even need to bother with it, just don't be putting up "No Irish Need Apply" or such. Hints: membership clubs, religious organizations (Gainz Я God)
- stackedinserter 7mo ago[flagged]
- khazhoux 7mo agoI hardly think letting women choose female drivers qualifies as “full steam towards sharia.”
- stackedinserter 7mo ago[flagged]
- wosined 7mo agoWhy does the same argument never work in reverse? When men want something for themselves then the same people say that that would be sexist.
- baggy_trough 7mo agoWe are all equal; it's just that some are more equal than others.
- brookst 7mo agoConsidering that 90% of sexual abuse in Uber’s safety report was committed by men, it seems disingenuous to frame this as some unreasonably discriminatory “oh they just want to have their own space”.
- krapp 7mo agoFor the same reason that white people wanting "White History Month" doesn't work.
- CSSer 7mo agoHonestly, thank you. I and many of my other friends have had this happen so much that we don't even react beyond an eyeroll, empty stare, or slight look of contempt for the perpetrator, when we tell each other the stories. I've had a ten minute drive in an unfamiliar city feel like an hour because a brief moment of conversation turned into a man repeatedly asking for my number, explicit details about where I live (not just the city, but the neighborhood, streets and even using phrases like "How can I find you if I visit?"), and my social media accounts. He did all of this despite clear, polite and repeated declinations towards his requests. He said things like "I'd like to be your friend" and further "I'd like to get to know you", and despite being firmly and clearly told, "No, thank you," each time he continued onward until the moment I stepped out of the vehicle. He was not subtle. It was very direct, and his tone sounded more and more frustrated as he persisted. For anyone reading who has not previously considered it, please imagine what it feels like to be in a moving, locked vehicle you're not in control of, in an unfamiliar place, with someone who is much stronger and taller than you who's not respecting your verbal boundaries. What guarantee do you have it will stop there? What could happen if I truly upset him? How much more unpleasant could it become for me? Meanwhile, I'm paying for this. Even with the option, I'm still paying with the extra time I willingly choose to wait.
- scoofy 7mo agoThe difference is the business structure. Women's only gyms are operated as private clubs, and must follow a very strict set of laws. Uber is a public accommodation. It cannot discriminate based on sex. If someone wanted to start a private club where women joined to drive and be driven in a not-for-profit way, that would also be legal.