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Americans/Canadians (and I guess Asians since they won't ship there) don't waste your time reading this, they have a Mediatek SoC and made the choice long ago t

Americans/Canadians (and I guess Asians since they won't ship there) don't waste your time reading this, they have a Mediatek SoC and made the choice long ago to not touch these markets. The devices will not carry the band support needed for these markets. Europeans, I guess good luck, have fun. I followed them in the early days and ran early builds of Sailfish on the N9, had high hopes but have long given up on them. EDIT: I will say though I'm still impressed by the libhybris project which went on to make it possible to run linux distros on android SoC's, but the guy who did that for Jolla I think is not with the company anymore for some time.

walterbell 7mo ago
> The devices will not carry the band support needed for these [non-EU] markets. Would they have zero radio coverage, or sub-optimal coverage? Could be a feature for those wanting a Wi-Fi only mobile Linux device.
- joecool1029 7mo ago
  > Would they have zero radio coverage, or sub-optimal coverage? Sub-optimal for data if it allows attach. If they don’t have working IMS profile it may reject the attach at worst or just have no working calls/texts at best (we do not have fallback 2g/3g except for 911 on 2g with pockets of t-mobile). There is 911 IMS profile but it sometimes doesn’t work with foreign phones, its tricky: https://optimerainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/OptimERA_VoLTE_Emergency_Calls_Report.pdf https://optimerainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/OptimERA_... > Could be a feature for those wanting a Wi-Fi only mobile Linux device. I’m sorry but this is cope for a phone. At that point just buy a better linux device not built on a complex phone soc, it’s not a phone then.
  - walterbell 7mo ago
    > better linux device not built on a complex phone soc Any suggestions in handheld form factor, comparable to iPod Touch? There was PinePhone Pro with Sailfish and RK3399S SoC, now discontinued.
chrononaut 7mo ago
> The devices will not carry the band support needed for these markets. Their technical specifications state: > Cellular: 4G + 5G with dual nano-SIM and global roaming modem configuration[0] Is that implying "global" is actually not global? [0] https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder
- joecool1029 7mo ago
  > Is that implying "global" is actually not global? It was what I was implying. I did find a better link: https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26 https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26 LTE FDD: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28AB, 66 LTE TDD: 34, 38, 39, 40, 41 5G NR: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n26, n28, n38, n40, n41, n66, n77, n78 So this is a strange band list for US, it can roam. It’s not ideal for any carrier outside of a city (n41, n77 2.5ghz/3.5ghz) supported, well maybe. n25 notably missing but subset n2 works via mbfi. band 71 missing for low-band tmobile rural coverage. 13 and 14 missing for firstnet/verizon lowband. Good to see n66. Now setting that aside that yes, I was partially wrong, we got more bands than usual, it still needs to pass through certification and get IMS profiles from the US carriers to make calls. Anyways, it’s possible things changed, they have new people in leadership, maybe they pivoted, I just don’t think it’s likely, I’ve yet to see a mediatek flagship or even upper mid-range that is well configured for US market.

walterbell 7mo ago

> The devices will not carry the band support needed for these [non-EU] markets. Would they have zero radio coverage, or sub-optimal coverage? Could be a feature for those wanting a Wi-Fi only mobile Linux device.

joecool1029 7mo ago
> Would they have zero radio coverage, or sub-optimal coverage? Sub-optimal for data if it allows attach. If they don’t have working IMS profile it may reject the attach at worst or just have no working calls/texts at best (we do not have fallback 2g/3g except for 911 on 2g with pockets of t-mobile). There is 911 IMS profile but it sometimes doesn’t work with foreign phones, its tricky: https://optimerainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/OptimERA_VoLTE_Emergency_Calls_Report.pdf https://optimerainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/OptimERA_... > Could be a feature for those wanting a Wi-Fi only mobile Linux device. I’m sorry but this is cope for a phone. At that point just buy a better linux device not built on a complex phone soc, it’s not a phone then.
- walterbell 7mo ago
  > better linux device not built on a complex phone soc Any suggestions in handheld form factor, comparable to iPod Touch? There was PinePhone Pro with Sailfish and RK3399S SoC, now discontinued.

chrononaut 7mo ago

> The devices will not carry the band support needed for these markets. Their technical specifications state: > Cellular: 4G + 5G with dual nano-SIM and global roaming modem configuration[0] Is that implying "global" is actually not global? [0] https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder

joecool1029 7mo ago
> Is that implying "global" is actually not global? It was what I was implying. I did find a better link: https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26 https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-sept-26 LTE FDD: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26, 28AB, 66 LTE TDD: 34, 38, 39, 40, 41 5G NR: n1, n2, n3, n5, n7, n8, n12, n20, n26, n28, n38, n40, n41, n66, n77, n78 So this is a strange band list for US, it can roam. It’s not ideal for any carrier outside of a city (n41, n77 2.5ghz/3.5ghz) supported, well maybe. n25 notably missing but subset n2 works via mbfi. band 71 missing for low-band tmobile rural coverage. 13 and 14 missing for firstnet/verizon lowband. Good to see n66. Now setting that aside that yes, I was partially wrong, we got more bands than usual, it still needs to pass through certification and get IMS profiles from the US carriers to make calls. Anyways, it’s possible things changed, they have new people in leadership, maybe they pivoted, I just don’t think it’s likely, I’ve yet to see a mediatek flagship or even upper mid-range that is well configured for US market.