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The relevant part is that the judge declared traffic ticket proceedings “quasi criminal”: > In the order, the court found that red-light camera cases, although
by tacticalturtle 7mo ago
The relevant part is that the judge declared traffic ticket proceedings “quasi criminal”:
> In the order, the court found that red-light camera cases, although labeled as civil infractions, function as “quasi-criminal” proceedings because they can result in monetary penalties, a formal finding of guilt, and consequences tied to a driver’s record.
Which seems to just relabel any fine from the government as a criminal matter?
IMO when you register the vehicle for the right to drive on public roads, you are entering into an agreement that you will be responsible for following the rules of the road, and for lending the car to people who also do so.
Similarly, if I register a firearm legally, and then lend it out to anyone who asks, regardless of whether they follow the law, I don’t think it would be crazy to hold me financially responsible if a shooting happens with my gun.
- 0x3f 7mo agoSeems untenable because I can just lie to you about my intended use. I borrow your hammer to build a cabin. Oops, I actually used it to murder people. Enjoy the millions in damages.
- bootlooped 7mo agoThe justice system can generally deal with gray areas like this. For example the parents of school shooters are usually not held liable for the crimes their kids commit. It depends on a lot of variables.
- pixl97 7mo agoMore states are enacting laws that directly charge the parents in these cases.
- GuinansEyebrows 7mo agoexample of a very recent case: https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/04/us/colin-gray-verdict-mass-shooting-parents https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/04/us/colin-gray-verdict-mass-sh...
- 0x3f 7mo agoSeems more like jury nullification than new legislation, in this particular case
- pixl97 7mo ago>I don’t think it would be crazy to hold me financially responsible if a shooting happens with my gun. States have had to write laws for this to be a criminal matter. Before then it was a civil matter, but it was individuals against individuals and not state against individuals. >Which seems to just relabel any fine from the government as a criminal matter? It wasn't exactly about the fine, but points on a license I believe.