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Progress is being made, but there is still a long way to go. This happened in a talk at a programming/web/tech event two weeks ago: http://i.imgur.com/4hL6X.jp

Progress is being made, but there is still a long way to go. This happened in a talk at a programming/web/tech event two weeks ago: http://i.imgur.com/4hL6X.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4hL6X.jpg

mattdw 14y ago
WTF. How is this ever acceptable in a professional context? Talk about hostility.
- Evbn 14y ago
  Professionals are at work. Goofs are at "events".
  - pyre 14y ago
    There are still plenty of professionals at events, and even presenting at events. This sort of stuff seems more a part of "brogrammer" culture. The idea that you need to make a name for yourself by being edgy/offensive.
d0mine 14y ago
It is funny that it is ok to exploit nerd stereotypes as demonstrated in the article (nobody cares about yet another nerd in a basement picture). Do you think that the author of the article sees all programmers through the lenses of the stereotype? The picture that you've linked is in bad taste but it won't change the popularity of the stereotype behind it in any way. Do you think that the author of the presentation sees all models through the lenses of the stereotype?
- sirmarksalot 14y ago
  Do we really need to coin the phrase "hacker privilege?" Look, I know it sucked in school, being ostracized for having technical interests, but now you're grown-up and loaded. As part of a larger social agenda, I can see some harm in perpetuating these geek stereotypes, but on a personal level, you are not being exploited, so quit whining.
  - d0mine 14y ago
    If it is not clear: "nobody cares about yet another.." here means "nobody (among people that stereotype might be applied to) cares (finds it offensive) about yet another..". That is the meaning is the opposite to your interpretation. I agree the initial comment might have sounded ambiguously. Your comment could be less patronizing.
Sanddancer 14y ago
Out of curiosity, what event was this?
scotty79 14y ago
Do tech women identify somehow with this girl in the picture and feel offended? When guy sees some looser made fun of on some picture he thinks: "Hehe. What a looser!" as he sees almost no resemblance between him and the looser. Does women feel more strongly connected to other women because of shared gender than men?
- Trezoid 14y ago
  What have you got against WD-40?
- grey-area 14y ago
  I'd feel offended if presented with this sort of nonsense at a tech talk. The implication of the picture, given the structure and history of our society, is that women are there to be pretty and submissive and men are there to control women with money. That and it makes absolutely no sense as an analogy for MVC, it's just a cheap shot in an attempt to titillate an assumed audience of sexist men. So yes, women in an audience presented with that sort of image are probably going to feel alienated and offended, and no that is not some special sensitivity or empathy for other women, it's because of all the assumptions which come with using a picture like that (women are not my audience, pretty women are controlled by men with money, women are there to be looked at by men, etc). PS When referring to losers, use the correct spelling
  - scotty79 14y ago
    Thanks for the correction. Sorry. Not native speaker. Spellchecker didn't kick in. Maybe I'm desensitized to gender issues because I never disrespected a woman for being a woman, and never noticed any adult during my childhood who did that even jokingly but I can imagine conference room of techy women with female presenter showing this picture and all laughing partly exactly because it has nothing to do with MVC and absurd humor is always funny and also because the girl in the picture is obviously inferior to the women in the room even though she could be better off if she learned useful stuff properly like they did and led independent life like they do. I am aware that this probably won't happen anywhere in another 50 years or so. Personally I hate inappropriate jokes in public appearances because they make presenter look silly and in some twisted form of empathy I feel the shame that presenter should feel. This joke made me laugh probably because I'm in front of the computer following anonymous link not in the room full of people seeing some boring poor chap desperately trying to lighten the mood. I was mostly amused by the View part, then the Model, not at all at the Controller. I'm so indoorsy (and living in non english speaking country) that when I'm thinking of View the thing that you can see on holidays is one of the last things that come to my mind. I don't own a TV and don't follow celebrity gossip and/or fashion so the connection between what I know as Model and being a model as occupation was also hard for me to make. Controller was I think the easiest (so already least funny) because money is a mean to control a lot (your life for example) also controlling people of opposite gender with money brings "eww.." factor that spoils the joke. 2 out of 3 ... so somewhat funny. Sorry for trolling you with insensitive question.
mamoswined 14y ago
If women were really so motivated by money, there would be more of us in tech. On a more serious note, sometimes I just don't get other women. Yeah, working in fashion, food, or publishing sounds fun, but they aren't getting paid hardly anything and most of them are working as low-level grunts just to be in the industry that sounds fun to them with a small glimmer of hope they might move to the very tiny upper tier in those jobs. To contrast, I have a well-paying job that pays well and after 5, I can actually enjoy food, fashion, and writing for fun. And on the food/fashion front I can afford much higher quality things.

Progress is being made, but there is still a long way to go. This happened in a talk at a programming/web/tech event two weeks ago: http://i.imgur.com/4hL6X.jpg http://i.imgur.com/4hL6X.jpg

mattdw 14y ago

WTF. How is this ever acceptable in a professional context? Talk about hostility.

Evbn 14y ago
Professionals are at work. Goofs are at "events".
- pyre 14y ago
  There are still plenty of professionals at events, and even presenting at events. This sort of stuff seems more a part of "brogrammer" culture. The idea that you need to make a name for yourself by being edgy/offensive.

d0mine 14y ago

It is funny that it is ok to exploit nerd stereotypes as demonstrated in the article (nobody cares about yet another nerd in a basement picture). Do you think that the author of the article sees all programmers through the lenses of the stereotype? The picture that you've linked is in bad taste but it won't change the popularity of the stereotype behind it in any way. Do you think that the author of the presentation sees all models through the lenses of the stereotype?

sirmarksalot 14y ago
Do we really need to coin the phrase "hacker privilege?" Look, I know it sucked in school, being ostracized for having technical interests, but now you're grown-up and loaded. As part of a larger social agenda, I can see some harm in perpetuating these geek stereotypes, but on a personal level, you are not being exploited, so quit whining.
- d0mine 14y ago
  If it is not clear: "nobody cares about yet another.." here means "nobody (among people that stereotype might be applied to) cares (finds it offensive) about yet another..". That is the meaning is the opposite to your interpretation. I agree the initial comment might have sounded ambiguously. Your comment could be less patronizing.

Sanddancer 14y ago

Out of curiosity, what event was this?

scotty79 14y ago

Do tech women identify somehow with this girl in the picture and feel offended? When guy sees some looser made fun of on some picture he thinks: "Hehe. What a looser!" as he sees almost no resemblance between him and the looser. Does women feel more strongly connected to other women because of shared gender than men?

Trezoid 14y ago
What have you got against WD-40?
grey-area 14y ago
I'd feel offended if presented with this sort of nonsense at a tech talk. The implication of the picture, given the structure and history of our society, is that women are there to be pretty and submissive and men are there to control women with money. That and it makes absolutely no sense as an analogy for MVC, it's just a cheap shot in an attempt to titillate an assumed audience of sexist men. So yes, women in an audience presented with that sort of image are probably going to feel alienated and offended, and no that is not some special sensitivity or empathy for other women, it's because of all the assumptions which come with using a picture like that (women are not my audience, pretty women are controlled by men with money, women are there to be looked at by men, etc). PS When referring to losers, use the correct spelling
- scotty79 14y ago
  Thanks for the correction. Sorry. Not native speaker. Spellchecker didn't kick in. Maybe I'm desensitized to gender issues because I never disrespected a woman for being a woman, and never noticed any adult during my childhood who did that even jokingly but I can imagine conference room of techy women with female presenter showing this picture and all laughing partly exactly because it has nothing to do with MVC and absurd humor is always funny and also because the girl in the picture is obviously inferior to the women in the room even though she could be better off if she learned useful stuff properly like they did and led independent life like they do. I am aware that this probably won't happen anywhere in another 50 years or so. Personally I hate inappropriate jokes in public appearances because they make presenter look silly and in some twisted form of empathy I feel the shame that presenter should feel. This joke made me laugh probably because I'm in front of the computer following anonymous link not in the room full of people seeing some boring poor chap desperately trying to lighten the mood. I was mostly amused by the View part, then the Model, not at all at the Controller. I'm so indoorsy (and living in non english speaking country) that when I'm thinking of View the thing that you can see on holidays is one of the last things that come to my mind. I don't own a TV and don't follow celebrity gossip and/or fashion so the connection between what I know as Model and being a model as occupation was also hard for me to make. Controller was I think the easiest (so already least funny) because money is a mean to control a lot (your life for example) also controlling people of opposite gender with money brings "eww.." factor that spoils the joke. 2 out of 3 ... so somewhat funny. Sorry for trolling you with insensitive question.

mamoswined 14y ago

If women were really so motivated by money, there would be more of us in tech. On a more serious note, sometimes I just don't get other women. Yeah, working in fashion, food, or publishing sounds fun, but they aren't getting paid hardly anything and most of them are working as low-level grunts just to be in the industry that sounds fun to them with a small glimmer of hope they might move to the very tiny upper tier in those jobs. To contrast, I have a well-paying job that pays well and after 5, I can actually enjoy food, fashion, and writing for fun. And on the food/fashion front I can afford much higher quality things.